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  • I am well aware that Gabriel does not really know who either of his foes are, and certainly acts like it, but there was a scene in this episode that has got me wondering about it.

    First though, I'll bring up the episode Simon Says. Now that we know for sure that Gabriel is Hawk Moth, we know why he was showing such strange attention to Ladybug's earrings and Cat Noir's ring. But in the end, when he was hugging Adrien, we see him stiffen and gasp as he sees Adrien's ring. He says in almost a stunned voice that he's never noticed his ring before. Adrien doesn't give him much of an answer, but we know why Gabriel was so shocked: because he knows Cat Noir wears his ring on the same finger of the same hand. That's probably where his supicion started. I almost expected him to go a little less hard on Cat Noir in the following episodes, but there was none.

    However, towards the end of Collector, Gabriel shows a burst of sudden worry for his son after Cat Noir tells him what had happened to him (although there's a possibility he was faking it). When Cat Noir hastily told him that "heeeeeee.... must be hiding," (XD) Gabriel walks up to them and tells them that Adrien is too precious to be lost to him, but oddly, when he approaches them, he comes straight to Cat Noir and puts his hands on his shoulders, almost as if he was meaning something else... Cat Noir seemed happy with it, like he was glad to know just how much his father cared for him, and is simply smiling up at him while Ladybug freaks out over her declining power. Anyway, I just found that scene very strange, and so I think that maybe, maybe,​ he actually knows.

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    • I think he subconsciously knows Adrien is Cat Noir (and Adrien vice versa for Hawk Moth), but he hasn't consciously processed it yet, probably because for both sides that would complicate things significantly.

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    • Kittiesdance wrote: I think he subconsciously knows Adrien is Cat Noir (and Adrien vice versa for Hawk Moth), but he hasn't consciously processed it yet, probably because for both sides that would complicate things significantly.

      that would be interesting but if it were true, id want to know why he hasn't processed such a startling knowledge.

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    • Well obviously gabby knows that his own flesh and blood is is enemy

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    • Yeah I'm sure Gabriel knows about Cat Noir being his son. Although, even though he tricked Ladybug and Cat Noir by using an Akuma on himself, Master Fu can't be that stupid and not suspect Gabriel of having the 2 missing Miraculous. He said that the holder of the book should have the other soooooooo.

      Ok I'm getting out of the main subject, which is is Gabriel know about his son, this can also explain why, eveytime Cat Noir get capture/controlled, Hawk Moth doesn't ask for his Miraculous right away since he could just grab it from his son when he'll get Ladybug one .

      Just an Idea ;)

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    • WAIT... so maybe that's why he only uses Chat when he's under spells and such instead of taking his miraculous??

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    • Could be

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    • ive only just thought of that and its making a lot of sense, actually.

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    • Yeah, it does! I think that maybe it's just a suspicion, like he thinks it MIGHT be true but he's not sure? And he doesn't want to risk it?

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    • YEAAHHHH...

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    • Well if he know that his son is cat noir, he would probably just take his miraculous peacefully in his sleep

      • just saying*
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    • True

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    • He knows for sure. That’s why he said he’d being seeing them very soon after they hopped out the window. He got Natalie as his first victim because she knows he is hawkmoth and to keep up the facade he got her first.

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    • Shenanigans26 wrote:
      He knows for sure. That’s why he said he’d being seeing them very soon after they hopped out the window. He got Natalie as his first victim because she knows he is hawkmoth and to keep up the facade he got her first.

      Yes.. but I also started this discussion before watching Gorizilla...

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    • Since we now know he doesn't suspect him anymore after Gorizilla, I guess he got fooled good like he fooled Ladybug and Chat Noir into thinking he is clear of not being Hawk Moth. Like father, like son. :)

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    • I wouldn't say that Gorizilla means he utterly doesn't suspect him, although it does seem to have allayed his suspicions. Hawk Moth isn't dumb and if he mulls it over, the possibility of the helmet ploy has got to occur to him.

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