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  • I... am going to go out on a limb here and say that the Turtle does NOT grant Master Fu longevity. It seems to me that there are three paths: All Miraculouses grant long lives (this does not seem to work, because of the distinct lack of long-lived Ladybugs and Black Cats), a long lifespan is part of the Turtle's powers (possible and the usual speculation), or no Miraculous affects how long you live and Master Fu's long life comes from magic from....

    elsewhere...

    ....

    Frankly I was just going to posit a loose theory about him using a different kind of magic, but something just struck me. Season 2 Spoilers ahead.


    Let's say for the sake of argument that Master Fu's long life has nothing to do with the Turtle Miraculous. I initially figured it was intended to go to the Great Guardian, which I one thought was a legacy title, something that was passed down, like how the name Santa Claus is in "Arthur Christmas". So that way, the Miraculouses were always under the protection of the Turtle. In hindsight, this doesn't make a lot of sense since the Turtle has a spot in the box, but whatever. Going back to what I was saying. We now know that "Great Guardian" is just a title for Master Fu, as he is the last of the Guardians. It might itself be a legacy title, but it no longer seems related to the Turtle Miraculous.


    Now, to the thing I abruptly realised in the middle of typing a sentence.

    What if Master Fu knows firsthand the power of a wish? Or rather, what if Master Fu knows firsthand the cost of a wish? What if Master Fu once tried to use the combined powers of the Ladybug and the Black Cat? This isn't the first time I've speculated this, but my initial theory was thrown out when the nature of the "ultimate power" was explained as being in the form of a wish. Of having a desire come true, no matter what that desire is. I'd originally figured he tried to use their power and it backfired. But it's possible it worked as intended. The wish thing seems to work on equivilent exchange- if you want someone back from the dead, someone else will die. If you want humanity like Markov, someone else will lose their humanity. If you want to end a war, another war will start. The world must remain in balance. So, if Master Fu wanted a longer lifespan, then the lifespan of others must be cut short.

    It's possible these lost lives came from his fellow Guardians, as they were nearest. Master Fu's wish caused a domino effect that caused the temple to be destroyed, forcing him to flee with the Miraculouses and the Spellbook, eventually losing two of the Miraculouses and the Spellbook.

    Master Fu uses the Turtle Miraculous, perhaps the least assuming of the seven, because he needs the magic to keep the Miraculouses safe (and a long-lived friend to keep him company), and to protect the people he chooses to bear the Miraculouses. After all, he's protecting them on his own now. So it makes sense he'd take on a Miraculous, and one that might have less... volatile powers than the remaining Fox, Bee, Ladybug, and Black Cat have.
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    • ... Now I'm interested. What's your theory?

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    • AnixLitriocht134 wrote:
      ... Now I'm interested. What's your theory?

      I have no idea what happened but it's fixed now.

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    • Seems logical. I don't really think it's just Master Fu's REALLY long life-span. That wish theory is a good one, I think. But would Master Fu really go to those lengths in order to test something that may or may not be true, just for the sake of discovery? (Plus he really seems to take the personality of the holder into equation, is the Turtle Miraculous so... amiable that it accepts anyone? It kinda seems like a stretch for it to coincidentally fit Fu's character. On the other hand, maybe he gained wisdom from his mistake and vowed to protect the Miraculous from the overly-curious and/or ones with bad intentions?) 

      That legacy bit might be correct but... I don't really know. Which little boy knows where the Miraculous and the Spellbook are kept in anyway? Which little boy would try to rescue those rather than his own friends and teachers? (Maybe the teacher told him to take those and run?)

      I still think that wish option (Maybe connected with the legacy theory) might work best. Perhaps he was the heir to be the Great Guardian and he got tired of waiting for the time to come and took a peek at the Miraculous. He got too excited and... made a wish to be immortal? (That sounds horrible because he'll live forever but he'll still get old and that wears out the person, like, really.That seems far-fetched.

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    • TheGreatMeddler wrote:
      Seems logical. I don't really think it's just Master Fu's REALLY long life-span. That wish theory is a good one, I think. But would Master Fu really go to those lengths in order to test something that may or may not be true, just for the sake of discovery? (Plus he really seems to take the personality of the holder into equation, is the Turtle Miraculous so... amiable that it accepts anyone? It kinda seems like a stretch for it to coincidentally fit Fu's character. On the other hand, maybe he gained wisdom from his mistake and vowed to protect the Miraculous from the overly-curious and/or ones with bad intentions?) 

      That legacy bit might be correct but... I don't really know. Which little boy knows where the Miraculous and the Spellbook are kept in anyway? Which little boy would try to rescue those rather than his own friends and teachers? (Maybe the teacher told him to take those and run?)

      I still think that wish option (Maybe connected with the legacy theory) might work best. Perhaps he was the heir to be the Great Guardian and he got tired of waiting for the time to come and took a peek at the Miraculous. He got too excited and... made a wish to be immortal? (That sounds horrible because he'll live forever but he'll still get old and that wears out the person, like, really.That seems far-fetched.

      What do you mean "test"? I never mentioned anything about testing. Or about the Turtle being "amiable" and just accepting anyone, though the Miraculouses can go to literally anyone, the personality doesn't matter. The kwami has to obey. The calm, collected, wise Wayzz would contrast with the young, reckless Fu I'm proposing he was like, anyway. And what "legacy" theory? I'm just talking about a title. Legacy Title just means it's a title passed from person to person. Like how Robin in the Batman comics has been a bunch of different people. So as Green Lantern.

      He's a Guardian, they might all know where the Mirculouses are kept since it's their job to protect them, and he was learning to read the Book, which contains the information about the Black Cat and Ladybug Miraculouses and their combined power. And in the theory I suggested, most of his teachers and friends would be dead from his wish. His responsibility as a Guardian dictates he take the Miraculous, who he was probably already in the room with, and flee.

      He got excited and wished to live a long life. I never said he wished for immortality.

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    • Maybe when Master Fu was told to leave with the book and miraculouses by the Great Guardian,  the Great Guardian stayed behind to protect the temple using a miraculous from the box and hence how either the peacock or moth miraculous was lost (I'm thinking peacock, because the giant octopus in Master Fu's flashback looks like an akuma). 

      Also,could it be possible that a miraculous holder slowly takes on a miraculous' attributes the longer they use it (since they're literally having magic chanelled from the kwami into them through the miraculous)? Most of the superheroes/supervillains in the past don't seem to have lived long enough to test that theory out. 


      Or maybe Master Fu just lives longer because he does yoga everyday? lol

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    • Thearomalady wrote: I... am going to go out on a limb here and say that the Turtle does NOT grant Master Fu longevity. It seems to me that there are three paths: All Miraculouses grant long lives (this does not seem to work, because of the distinct lack of long-lived Ladybugs and Black Cats), a long lifespan is part of the Turtle's powers (possible and the usual speculation), or no Miraculous affects how long you live and Master Fu's long life comes from magic from....

      elsewhere...

      ....

      Frankly I was just going to posit a loose theory about him using a different kind of magic, but something just struck me. Season 2 Spoilers ahead.


      Let's say for the sake of argument that Master Fu's long life has nothing to do with the Turtle Miraculous. I initially figured it was intended to go to the Great Guardian, which I one thought was a legacy title, something that was passed down, like how the name Santa Claus is in "Arthur Christmas". So that way, the Miraculouses were always under the protection of the Turtle. In hindsight, this doesn't make a lot of sense since the Turtle has a spot in the box, but whatever. Going back to what I was saying. We now know that "Great Guardian" is just a title for Master Fu, as he is the last of the Guardians. It might itself be a legacy title, but it no longer seems related to the Turtle Miraculous.


      Now, to the thing I abruptly realised in the middle of typing a sentence.

      What if Master Fu knows firsthand the power of a wish? Or rather, what if Master Fu knows firsthand the cost of a wish? What if Master Fu once tried to use the combined powers of the Ladybug and the Black Cat? This isn't the first time I've speculated this, but my initial theory was thrown out when the nature of the "ultimate power" was explained as being in the form of a wish. Of having a desire come true, no matter what that desire is. I'd originally figured he tried to use their power and it backfired. But it's possible it worked as intended. The wish thing seems to work on equivilent exchange- if you want someone back from the dead, someone else will die. If you want humanity like Markov, someone else will lose their humanity. If you want to end a war, another war will start. The world must remain in balance. So, if Master Fu wanted a longer lifespan, then the lifespan of others must be cut short.

      It's possible these lost lives came from his fellow Guardians, as they were nearest. Master Fu's wish caused a domino effect that caused the temple to be destroyed, forcing him to flee with the Miraculouses and the Spellbook, eventually losing two of the Miraculouses and the Spellbook.

      Master Fu uses the Turtle Miraculous, perhaps the least assuming of the seven, because he needs the magic to keep the Miraculouses safe (and a long-lived friend to keep him company), and to protect the people he chooses to bear the Miraculouses. After all, he's protecting them on his own now. So it makes sense he'd take on a Miraculous, and one that might have less... volatile powers than the remaining Fox, Bee, Ladybug, and Black Cat have.


      I totally agree with your theory. Like you said maybe the mistake that costed the destruction of the Guardians Temple and the fall of the Order of the Guardians could be related to the ladybug and black cat miraculouses granting the holder ultimate power. And it also does explain about Master Fu being able to live long whilst other miraculous holders can't.

      However I had another theory on what the so called 'mistake' Master Fu was referring to.

      Aside from granting ultimate power, what if there is more to what both the ladybug and black cat miraculouses can do.

      In relation to your theory what if a very powerful and dangerous force was unleashed that was probably sealed away by previous ladybugs and Chat Noirs.

      It might sound a little far fetched but it seems logical from my viewpoint

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    • Maybe its the Turtle-Kwami who gives Master Fuu his longevity or perphaps some sort of ancient chinese spell that was cast on him by the Order of the Guadians when he was young, this was likely the reason that master fu was the only survivor of the order.

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    • Tesshu wrote:
      Maybe its the Turtle-Kwami who gives Master Fuu his longevity or perphaps some sort of ancient chinese spell that was cast on him by the Order of the Guadians when he was young, this was likely the reason that master fu was the only survivor of the order.

      Well lots of people think it's the Turtle Kwami, but this was meant to be an alternative. It's possible it was a spell cast by the Order, but it seems weird to do that if they train so many people up like that.

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    • With Hawkmoth now knowing there's a guardian out there, I'm going to ammend my season finale theory: Hawkmoth will temporarily get possession of the Ladybug and Black Cat miraculouses, and will use them to bring back Mrs. Agreste, but as a result Master Fu will disappear, leaving behind his Miraculous. Marinette/Ladybug will then become the new guardian.

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    • I think this tweetshould explain Master Fu's longevity.

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    • I can’t read it, I don’t speak Spanish.

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    • Original:

      No. Su longevidad no esta directamente ligada a su Miraculous, si no a su estilo de vida.

      Google translate:

      No. His longevity is not directly linked to his Miraculous, if not to his lifestyle.

      Is https://twitter.com/MiraculousMX an official source though or just some fan?

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    • It seems to be the Mexican Miraculous Twitter and it's official from what I can tell.

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    • Ok I see. Thanks. I thought with the way the reply was worded the tweet totally disproved me. I don’t think he can be almost 200 just from his lifestyle though.

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    • I'm pretty sure I've seen it stated in English somewhere that it's his lifestyle too.

      I might be wrong.

      I've never seen anyone live to 200 before. Doesn't mean it's impossible, but it's unlikely.

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    • "not directly linked" is not "not linked", we should keep in mind, so Fu's longevity could be INdirectly linked to his Miraculous. Whatever that means.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Ok I see. Thanks. I thought with the way the reply was worded the tweet totally disproved me. I don’t think he can be almost 200 just from his lifestyle though.

      Most likely something to do with his training in the temple. Honing his mind and body beyond normal limits and other classic "secret monastary of warrior monks" teachings.

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    • Maybe some aspect of the turtle aids in this training, which would be harder without it. Like if turtle is a symbol of wisdom, being wise makes you more able to research longevity tricks or perform longevity meditations, but it still requires active effort and the miraculous cannot effect changes alone, only guide you to making them yourself.

      Thus "indirect link" theory.

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    • They don't grant an extended life...(or maybe they do...). The people from the past era who were ladybug would axctually prevent mari from becoming ladybug.(Do I make sense?) For the gaurdian's mate, (ex- plagg, tiki) he must grant him all the information of the miraculouses and everything. My theory is that he must have wisdom, more that of ladybug herself. Plus his longetivity would havve to do with his tricks of chinese health and stuff right? I mean, sure! he is the master in those kind of things, we can expect him to lead a long life.

      Plus, doesn't he say he's still young? probably becuase all his ancestors lived longer...Just sayin'

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    • Where are you getting the idea that the Miraculous do not extend lifespans? I'm not sure we can say whether they shorten them, lengthen them or do nothing at all. I don't know of evidence in any direction.

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    • He is an wise old chinese grandmaster like  Fuk Luk Sau, Chinese Three Wise Men. Fu represents good luck and harmony; Lu stands for authority, power and wealth; Shou signifies good health and longevity. Three gods are the popular deities of wealth, Prosperity, and Longevity. I think that Master Fu might be based on Shou.

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