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  • This is the official discussion thread for S2E3, "Prime Queen".

    Post and share your thoughts on the episode here. You will not need to mark spoilers in this thread.

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    • Why did you create this thread when Prime Queen hasn't aired yet?

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    • This discussion is up a bit sooner than necessary, but the episode is coming out in Portugal tonight/tomorrow (2 AM EST/11 PM PST), so if none of us staff members are around to add it then, it's available for whoever is around and has watched the episode. Other wikis sometimes had added episode discussions up early and ahead of the release time too.

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    • I think in this case, the French name is better. "Audimatrix" just sounds so much nicer on the tongue than the awkward "Prime Queen". Like, I could see a vague connection to "prime time TV", but it's a bit too much of a stretch.

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    • She should have been named "Prime Time"

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    • I really enjoyed this episode. Nadja Chamack being ambitious to discover Ladybug's and Cat Noir's true identity and Manon and Alya's relationship was very sweet and heartwarming this episode.

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    • it was pretty much lady wifi 2.0. similar motive, similar powers, even similar announcement. the scenes between alya, manon and marinette are really cute though.

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    • I can't wait to see this episode!

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    • I had a feeling Cat Noir nwould find out about the kiss sooner rather than later. Also, Gabriel watching that interview closely makes a lot more sense now that we know he's Hawkmoth. 

      Did anyone notice Alya's knowing glare at the beginning? I think she's at least suspicious of Marinette being Ladybug. I think she'll probably be the first to figure that out, and that may coincide with when she gets her Miraculous.

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    • OwnMiraculousTales wrote:
      Guys do you know if episode 3 in english dubbing come out today on this page?(link removed)

      Please remove that link since it's not from an official source. This wiki does not support linking third-party sites that host episodes as it's illegal and it does not support the show's creators. Only links from official sources are allowed: (for example this link). You're entitled to do watch the episodes wherever you want (the vast majority of the wiki editors do) but please respect this wiki's guidelines and do not share it with this wiki. Thank you.

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    • Season 2 is tearing me apart

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    • Wait, It showed already?

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    • Thia episode was really.....shiny.

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    • I just saw it in English.

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    • The final scene of the episode reminded me of two years ago, when I started watching Miraculous: Marinette, Manon and Alya in Matinette’s living room, just like in Stormy Weather.

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    • CaseyTheCupcakeQueen234 wrote:
      Why did you create this thread when Prime Queen hasn't aired yet?

      Just like Tansy mentioned, I was a bit busy today so I had to create it earlier.

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    • An enjoyable episode, although Cat Noir attempt to kiss Ladybug lol XD

      P.S: Alya's full name is revealed on TV, after being released last year. & Why is Ladybug throwing a towel anyway when it's a tape? This is plainly weird...

      Well, now I can't wait to see Marinette's grandmother in the next episode.

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    • Is anyone else curious why they kept Nadja's boss so secretive? I don't know why she was shrouded in the shadows, when it looked like one of the regular models for "extras".
      (if I didn't know better, I'd think they're setting her up to be Audrey Bourgeois.)

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    • Well, she does have short hair...

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    • I saw the episode today on it's premiere.

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    • BelieveInMagic814 wrote:
      An enjoyable episode, although Cat Noir attempt to kiss Ladybug lol XD

      P.S: Alya's full name is revealed on TV, after being released last year. & Why is Ladybug throwing a towel anyway when it's a tape? This is plainly weird...

      Well, now I can't wait to see Marinette's grandmother in the next episode.

      ahahha chat's attempts to kiss ladybug was soo cute. also is reaction when he learned about the kiss last valentine's day. it was time that he learned about it haha

      i was also confused about the towel and tape change. probably a animation mistake

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    • Yeah, ikr?

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    • "She's a girl and she doesn't have  a shampoo"

      -Aurore 2017 

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    • Finally! An adult female akumatized villain! I'm happy we finally got something that was never seen in Season 1, and what excitement to know that we have more on the way!

      Overall, what a fun episode! While Prime Queen has similar (though not exact) abilities to Lady Wifi, her personality and schemes are enjoyable, and I like her different approach to defeating the duo. Also, this episode's bring-back of the kiss in "Dark Cupid", akin to the reference we'll get in "Troublemaker" from another episode, make me happy to see this series take advantage of previous events to expand the continuity, similar to how I like characters we've seen before get akumatized to expand the world. Cat Noir crushing the akumatized object for a change was really nice, and I enjoyed getting to see Nadja and Manon again, along with other cameo appearances and shout-out throughout the episode (like Aurore, Jagged Stone, and the Crying Breakfast Friends! rip-off with cheese!).

      As for Marinette abruptly forcing the interview to end, I can get where she's coming from. Those were private questions, and as we saw in the episode, Ladybug wanted to interview to be about the hero's progress to protect Paris, not their personal lives. Nadja meant well, but she crossed a line when she kept pushing the heroes to talk about a subject that made them – especially Ladybug – uncomfortable. Also, Ladybug didn't know how much was at stake for Nadja's show. It was an over-reaction and on the inconsiderate side, but I can easily see why Ladybug acted the way she did.

      I agree it's getting harder to see how Alya won't figure out Marinette's identity at this point. The show relies a lot on confusions and a lack of suspicions, but with how many times Alya finds Marinette randomly leaving, I wouldn't be suprised if somewhere down the season, before/after/during Alya's upgrade, she figures out who Ladybug's identity is and has to consider how she'll deal with it. Bonus points for both her and Chloé being Nadja's victims; they could really use some Miraculouses soon!

      Again, I really enjoyed this one. I think I like the previous two episodes better, as I can't help but cringe for poor Nadja too much in the first half of the episode, but this is a strong episode in its own right and I'm glad. Someone pointed out on Tumblr that as of this post, we've seen all of the episodes' clips in promos. I'm eager to see what the next three confirmed-in-schedule episodes will be like.

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    • I really liked this episode, although I would've thought Cat Noir would seem more dejected whenever Ladybug rejected the idea of them being a couple. It was great to se Manon again, I personally really like her character.

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    • Ohh my gosh. I had to watch it on my lunch break and that was not easy. I’m not sure how I feel about the return to formula where the Akuma is the main focus of the episode, but I feel like this was different because of the focus on past events.

      Did I just hallucinate the end of the Mime? Where Alya interviewed Ladybug? Because Alya is acting like it never happened. Also I thought everyone knew about the Ladyblog, but I admit that was merely assumption. But that interview definitely happened, right? Right?!

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Ohh my gosh. I had to watch it on my lunch break and that was not easy. I’m not sure how I feel about the return to formula where the Akuma is the main focus of the episode, but I feel like this was different because of the focus on past events.

      Did I just hallucinate the end of the Mime? Where Alya interviewed Ladybug? Because Alya is acting like it never happened. Also I thought everyone knew about the Ladyblog, but I admit that was merely assumption. But that interview definitely happened, right? Right?!

      It's more formulaic again than the more overarching story-driven "The Collector" and the more character-driven "The Collector" and "Despair Bear", but hopefully it's a minority of Season 2 and not the majority, or at least more formulaic episodes in the future will have newer, more unique supervillains to showcase.

      You're right on the interview. Unless Alya considers her talk with Ladybug in "The Mime" legitimate, that should count as an interview (even she or Ladybug calls it an interview). This is a pretty notable plot hole in the sense that Alya never acknowledges she had an in-depth interview with Ladybug before. For all the continuity throwbacks in this episode, this is pretty notable mistake by not bringing up that Alya already got that once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

      Also, what exactly led to Nadja deciding to interview Alya? There must be an interesting story there.

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    • Tansyflower wrote:
      Thearomalady wrote:
      Ohh my gosh. I had to watch it on my lunch break and that was not easy. I’m not sure how I feel about the return to formula where the Akuma is the main focus of the episode, but I feel like this was different because of the focus on past events.

      Did I just hallucinate the end of the Mime? Where Alya interviewed Ladybug? Because Alya is acting like it never happened. Also I thought everyone knew about the Ladyblog, but I admit that was merely assumption. But that interview definitely happened, right? Right?!

      It's more formulaic again than the more overarching story-driven "The Collector" and the more character-driven "The Collector" and "Despair Bear", but hopefully it's a minority of Season 2 and not the majority, or at least more formulaic episodes in the future will have newer, more unique supervillains to showcase.

      You're right on the interview. Unless Alya considers her talk with Ladybug in "The Mime" legitimate, that should count as an interview (even she or Ladybug calls it an interview). This is a pretty notable plot hole in the sense that Alya never acknowledges she had an in-depth interview with Ladybug before. For all the continuity throwbacks in this episode, this is pretty notable mistake by not bringing up that Alya already got that once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

      Also, what exactly led to Nadja deciding to interview Alya? There must be an interesting story there.

      especially after the first 2 glorious, and more story-centric episodes, this one akuma-focused episode is a bit of a "letdown", especially since it is similar to lady wifi.guess we got spoiled too much haha, and i can see this as a reason why portugal, germany etc choose to air this episode before "despair bear", just to have a better balance. my guess is that the next episode "le befana" is going to be a bit more story-driven again. i'm still amazed how much they improved the animation. and chatnoir was too adorkable in this episode. it's just been 3 episodes but i can already tell that this season is going to be so good. they did really stepped up their game. 

      i was confused about the interview part as well. maybe they completly forgot about it? that would also explain why lila's interview had the most hits at the ladyblog, despite having a privat one with ladybug herself. 

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    • ALYA APPRECIATION POST because she was amazing throughout the entire thing and I didn't see anyone mention her yet.

      First, she came to Marinette's aid very quickly after Manon arrived, and showed genuine interest in helping Marinette out, even if it involved babysitting. Judging by Alya's reactions to Marinette having to go "talk to her parents" it's pretty clear that Alya knew that this wasn't the case and knew she would have to take care of Manon for a unspecific amount of time (maybe she knew this was her fate from the start?) but she encouraged Marinette to go. Plus, she made sure Manon had a good time while Marinette was gone. Even when she called into the Ladybug and Cat Noir interview, she lied to Manon's own mother about Marinette's whereabouts for Marinette's sake.

      After Ladybug's lucky charm, when Alya returns to Marinette's room, after she just got tied up, put into a mummy sarcophagus, and almost drowned in the Seine, the first thing she does is make sure that Manon is safe and isn't even upset that Marinette left her alone with Marinette's responsibility.

      Basically, my point in this post is that the real hero was Alya all along.

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    • Tankengineguy wrote: I just saw it in English.

      where did u watch it

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    • HoneyCandiez wrote:
      ALYA APPRECIATION POST because she was amazing throughout the entire thing and I didn't see anyone mention her yet.

      First, she came to Marinette's aid very quickly after Manon arrived, and showed genuine interest in helping Marinette out, even if it involved babysitting. Judging by Alya's reactions to Marinette having to go "talk to her parents" it's pretty clear that Alya knew that this wasn't the case and knew she would have to take care of Manon for a unspecific amount of time (maybe she knew this was her fate from the start?) but she encouraged Marinette to go. Plus, she made sure Manon had a good time while Marinette was gone. Even when she called into the Ladybug and Cat Noir interview, she lied to Manon's own mother about Marinette's whereabouts for Marinette's sake.

      After Ladybug's lucky charm, when Alya returns to Marinette's room, after she just got tied up, put into a mummy sarcophagus, and almost drowned in the Seine, the first thing she does is make sure that Manon is safe and isn't even upset that Marinette left her alone with Marinette's responsibility.

      Basically, my point in this post is that the real hero was Alya all along.


      Perhaps she figures Marinette out.

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    • Prime Queen seems like a combo of Lady Wifi and DC's Mirror Master. Did anyone else catch the Lucky Charm object error? It went from a tape dispenser to cloth. 

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    • Son of Nemesis34 wrote:
      Prime Queen seems like a combo of Lady Wifi and DC's Mirror Master. Did anyone else catch the Lucky Charm object error? It went from a tape dispenser to cloth. 

      I think it's mentioned above, and it's definitely mentioned on the page.

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    • Tansyflower wrote:

      It's more formulaic again than the more overarching story-driven "The Collector" and the more character-driven "The Collector" and "Despair Bear", but hopefully it's a minority of Season 2 and not the majority, or at least more formulaic episodes in the future will have newer, more unique supervillains to showcase.

      You're right on the interview. Unless Alya considers her talk with Ladybug in "The Mime" legitimate, that should count as an interview (even she or Ladybug calls it an interview). This is a pretty notable plot hole in the sense that Alya never acknowledges she had an in-depth interview with Ladybug before. For all the continuity throwbacks in this episode, this is pretty notable mistake by not bringing up that Alya already got that once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

      Also, what exactly led to Nadja deciding to interview Alya? There must be an interesting story there.

      Yes, that's more or less what I was getting at. I'm not sure how I feel about it being the first formula episode of the season, but I can't complain.

      It's very strange- "Volpina" also acts like the interview never happened, because somehow the Lila interview got more hits on the blog than the Ladybug one, and I'm pretty sure with the way everything is set up, "The Mime" had to come before "Volpina" and "Prime Queen" happens after "Volpina". It's so, so strange that the interview is just forgotten about by everyone involved. I would also have assumed the livestreaming during "The Pharaoh" would have gotten quite the hit count. I'm also very, very surprised the Ladyblog wasn't already famous, unless it was well-known in Paris, and being in the interview with Alya means all of France will know about her blog.

      I imagine she interviewed Alya because Alya runs the Ladyblog, and she and Alya are cut from similar cloth. Also, Ladybug may have set it up as an apology for ragequitting the interview, understandable as it was as Nadja was not taking "no" for an answer, not helped by Cat Noir stepping over a boundary he knows exists.

      Speaking of, watching her try and say she and Cat Noir are in love was very entertaining, as was his embarrassment over his involuntary purring. "Did you just purr?" "... Nooooo....."

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    • I loved the episode! Nadja is so cool as Prime Queen! Much more evil than Lady Wifi. I can see that she was pressured by her boss to stay on air, because in that line of work, it's you fly or crash. Ladybug could have just flat out reject Chat Noir's advances, and say she is not interested at all, and also said that she kissed him because he was gonna catclysm her in the face if she hadn't kissed him, and also say that unless you drop the romance questions or we leave. Instead, she just leave. Which I kind of call karma for Marinette for actually going to the show instead of babysitting Manon like she promised Nadja. So her getting personal questions was karma for letting Alya babysitt Manon, even if she did forget, but come on, if she has Adrien's entire schedule, can't she watch the calendar to see when Nadja's show is on and when she has babysitting? Seriously. 

      Prime Queen was great, not too similar to Lady Wifi, she wanted the heroes to admit their love, could teleport herself and others through any tv abywhere she wanted while Lady Wifi could only teleport herself, and was actually going to kill 2 people for the scoop. Very nice first female adult villain. She was as scary as her daughter when Manon was akumatized. Pretty awesome design too.

      If Ladybug seriously doesn't see Chat Noir's flirting as genuine feelings, why can't she just flat out tell him that she is not interested or is interested in someone else? She wouldn't think she would break his heart if she doesn't think he's not joking, right? Instead she just plays with him, which is going to bite her back hard the day she'll realise he's actually serious.

      Perhaps they could have elaborated on on their kiss. I would have liked to see Ladybug saying that she was giving Chat Noir's true love kiss to snap him out of Dark Cupid's control, after that Nadja saying that since he's her real love, then they are a couple, but then Ladybug saying that she doesn't love him, then Nadja saying that if she doesn't love him, why did the kiss work? It wouldn't have worked if he was her love, but it did, but she says she doesn't love him, so how did it work? Then we would have Ladybug speechless and totally having not thought about it, and Chat Noir would be in heaven. That could have been great in this episode, too bad the writers didn't think of it.

      Maybe Alya's interview with Ladybug was a private one just for her and she couldn't have it on the Ladyblog? After all she had already the previous video that she uploaded on her blog before Marinette erased the video. There was no need to have the rest of Paris watch's Marinette's apology to Alya via an exclussive with Ladybug.

      Alya and Nadja joining forces to promote the Ladyblog, and the heroes deeds. Best of both worlds. 

      Marinette should give Alya's number to Nadja, so if she's not free, Alya can babysitt her alongside her little sisters.

      Marinette once again being a bad exemple of a babysitter, giving her charge to her best friend while going on tv. Is it just me or everytime Marinette babysitt's Manon, she doesn't do a good job, or doesn't do it at all. 3 times she's babysitted Manon, second time she's let her with Alya. Never mind that it doesn't bother Alya, her mom asked her, not Alya. If I had kids and the babysitter would leave them with a friend, even if that friend would be trustworthy, it's still the babysitter that's I should pay for the job, not the friend. The other time she didn't leave her to Alya, she disobeyed Nadja's order by giving her a doll, which Nadja said no to, thus leading Manon to get scolded. Also her never letting Manon win, even less letting her be Ladybug is really not cool from her. Nadja, stop asking Marinette to babysitt Manon, let Alya do it. At least she'll have 2 more friends to play with, plus an actual competent babysitter who knows how to deal with kids like a walk in the park.

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    • Chi of Darkness wrote:
      I loved the episode! Nadja is so cool as Prime Queen! Much more evil than Lady Wifi. I can see that she was pressured by her boss to stay on air, because in that line of work, it's you fly or crash. Ladybug could have just flat out reject Chat Noir's advances, and say she is not interested at all, and also said that she kissed him because he was gonna catclysm her in the face if she hadn't kissed him, and also say that unless you drop the romance questions or we leave. Instead, she just leave. Which I kind of call karma for Marinette for actually going to the show instead of babysitting Manon like she promised Nadja. So her getting personal questions was karma for letting Alya babysitt Manon, even if she did forget, but come on, if she has Adrien's entire schedule, can't she watch the calendar to see when Nadja's show is on and when she has babysitting? Seriously. 

      Prime Queen was great, not too similar to Lady Wifi, she wanted the heroes to admit their love, could teleport herself and others through any tv abywhere she wanted while Lady Wifi could only teleport herself, and was actually going to kill 2 people for the scoop. Very nice first female adult villain. She was as scary as her daughter when Manon was akumatized. Pretty awesome design too.

      If Ladybug seriously doesn't see Chat Noir's flirting as genuine feelings, why can't she just flat out tell him that she is not interested or is interested in someone else? She wouldn't think she would break his heart if she doesn't think he's not joking, right? Instead she just plays with him, which is going to bite her back hard the day she'll realise he's actually serious.

      Perhaps they could have elaborated on on their kiss. I would have liked to see Ladybug saying that she was giving Chat Noir's true love kiss to snap him out of Dark Cupid's control, after that Nadja saying that since he's her real love, then they are a couple, but then Ladybug saying that she doesn't love him, then Nadja saying that if she doesn't love him, why did the kiss work? It wouldn't have worked if he was her love, but it did, but she says she doesn't love him, so how did it work? Then we would have Ladybug speechless and totally having not thought about it, and Chat Noir would be in heaven. That could have been great in this episode, too bad the writers didn't think of it.

      Maybe Alya's interview with Ladybug was a private one just for her and she couldn't have it on the Ladyblog? After all she had already the previous video that she uploaded on her blog before Marinette erased the video. There was no need to have the rest of Paris watch's Marinette's apology to Alya via an exclussive with Ladybug.

      Alya and Nadja joining forces to promote the Ladyblog, and the heroes deeds. Best of both worlds. 

      Marinette should give Alya's number to Nadja, so if she's not free, Alya can babysitt her alongside her little sisters.

      Marinette once again being a bad exemple of a babysitter, giving her charge to her best friend while going on tv. Is it just me or everytime Marinette babysitt's Manon, she doesn't do a good job, or doesn't do it at all. 3 times she's babysitted Manon, second time she's let her with Alya. Never mind that it doesn't bother Alya, her mom asked her, not Alya. If I had kids and the babysitter would leave them with a friend, even if that friend would be trustworthy, it's still the babysitter that's I should pay for the job, not the friend. The other time she didn't leave her to Alya, she disobeyed Nadja's order by giving her a doll, which Nadja said no to, thus leading Manon to get scolded. Also her never letting Manon win, even less letting her be Ladybug is really not cool from her. Nadja, stop asking Marinette to babysitt Manon, let Alya do it. At least she'll have 2 more friends to play with, plus an actual competent babysitter who knows how to deal with kids like a walk in the park.

      She has told Cat Noir she's not interested, but he doggedly pursues her. Much as I love Cat Noir, he sexually harasses Ladybug a lot, and she won't tell him she's already got someone because she doesn't share personal details with him if she can avoid it. I think with both that and her explaining about the kiss from "Dark Cupid", they'd be writing themselves into a corner.

      Nope, because not only does Ladybug expressly say that the interview is for the Ladyblog (which I know from the timestamp, your comment was being written while I was posting mine), what Alya says right after: "Only after I put it on my blog! There's no way I'm gonna lose this video!" so the interview did go on the blog.

      To be fair to Marinette, she's only a bad babysitter because the plot of the episode calls for it. She's a good babysitter otherwise, because Nadja trusts her and Manon adores her. Nadja understood why Marinette gave her the doll even though she said no, and Marinette wouldn't've given the doll if Manon hadn't asked again after being told no and putting on the "baby doll eyes" Nadja knows Mainette can't resist. And I think, just from what I've noticed in "Stormy Weather" and "Puppeteer" that losing maybe twice is enough for Manon to throw a tantrum about never winning, because she can't have played that clapping game with Alya all that many times, and she throws the same tantrum at Alya she does to Marinette over the dolls. Marinette also has to explain about the villain dolls to her, so they're still pretty new. By my calculations, Rogercop is the most recent of the dolls and was made the weekend between "Rogercop" and "Puppeteer". Alya understands little kids better because she has little sisters, but I think Marinette is probably a really good babysitter when the plot doesn't call for her to fail or it's because Manon is a little kid who sees everything as unfair.

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    • I suppose I was sorta right- Prime Queen is the Volpina to Lady Wifi's Evillustrator. Very similar, but very different.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Chi of Darkness wrote:
      I loved the episode! Nadja is so cool as Prime Queen! Much more evil than Lady Wifi. I can see that she was pressured by her boss to stay on air, because in that line of work, it's you fly or crash. Ladybug could have just flat out reject Chat Noir's advances, and say she is not interested at all, and also said that she kissed him because he was gonna catclysm her in the face if she hadn't kissed him, and also say that unless you drop the romance questions or we leave. Instead, she just leave. Which I kind of call karma for Marinette for actually going to the show instead of babysitting Manon like she promised Nadja. So her getting personal questions was karma for letting Alya babysitt Manon, even if she did forget, but come on, if she has Adrien's entire schedule, can't she watch the calendar to see when Nadja's show is on and when she has babysitting? Seriously. 

      Prime Queen was great, not too similar to Lady Wifi, she wanted the heroes to admit their love, could teleport herself and others through any tv abywhere she wanted while Lady Wifi could only teleport herself, and was actually going to kill 2 people for the scoop. Very nice first female adult villain. She was as scary as her daughter when Manon was akumatized. Pretty awesome design too.

      If Ladybug seriously doesn't see Chat Noir's flirting as genuine feelings, why can't she just flat out tell him that she is not interested or is interested in someone else? She wouldn't think she would break his heart if she doesn't think he's not joking, right? Instead she just plays with him, which is going to bite her back hard the day she'll realise he's actually serious.

      Perhaps they could have elaborated on on their kiss. I would have liked to see Ladybug saying that she was giving Chat Noir's true love kiss to snap him out of Dark Cupid's control, after that Nadja saying that since he's her real love, then they are a couple, but then Ladybug saying that she doesn't love him, then Nadja saying that if she doesn't love him, why did the kiss work? It wouldn't have worked if he was her love, but it did, but she says she doesn't love him, so how did it work? Then we would have Ladybug speechless and totally having not thought about it, and Chat Noir would be in heaven. That could have been great in this episode, too bad the writers didn't think of it.

      Maybe Alya's interview with Ladybug was a private one just for her and she couldn't have it on the Ladyblog? After all she had already the previous video that she uploaded on her blog before Marinette erased the video. There was no need to have the rest of Paris watch's Marinette's apology to Alya via an exclussive with Ladybug.

      Alya and Nadja joining forces to promote the Ladyblog, and the heroes deeds. Best of both worlds. 

      Marinette should give Alya's number to Nadja, so if she's not free, Alya can babysitt her alongside her little sisters.

      Marinette once again being a bad exemple of a babysitter, giving her charge to her best friend while going on tv. Is it just me or everytime Marinette babysitt's Manon, she doesn't do a good job, or doesn't do it at all. 3 times she's babysitted Manon, second time she's let her with Alya. Never mind that it doesn't bother Alya, her mom asked her, not Alya. If I had kids and the babysitter would leave them with a friend, even if that friend would be trustworthy, it's still the babysitter that's I should pay for the job, not the friend. The other time she didn't leave her to Alya, she disobeyed Nadja's order by giving her a doll, which Nadja said no to, thus leading Manon to get scolded. Also her never letting Manon win, even less letting her be Ladybug is really not cool from her. Nadja, stop asking Marinette to babysitt Manon, let Alya do it. At least she'll have 2 more friends to play with, plus an actual competent babysitter who knows how to deal with kids like a walk in the park.

      She has told Cat Noir she's not interested, but he doggedly pursues her. Much as I love Cat Noir, he sexually harasses Ladybug a lot, and she won't tell him she's already got someone because she doesn't share personal details with him if she can avoid it. I think with both that and her explaining about the kiss from "Dark Cupid", they'd be writing themselves into a corner.

      Nope, because not only does Ladybug expressly say that the interview is for the Ladyblog (which I know from the timestamp, your comment was being written while I was posting mine), what Alya says right after: "Only after I put it on my blog! There's no way I'm gonna lose this video!" so the interview did go on the blog.

      To be fair to Marinette, she's only a bad babysitter because the plot of the episode calls for it. She's a good babysitter otherwise, because Nadja trusts her and Manon adores her. Nadja understood why Marinette gave her the doll even though she said no, and Marinette wouldn't've given the doll if Manon hadn't asked again after being told no and putting on the "baby doll eyes" Nadja knows Mainette can't resist. And I think, just from what I've noticed in "Stormy Weather" and "Puppeteer" that losing maybe twice is enough for Manon to throw a tantrum about never winning, because she can't have played that clapping game with Alya all that many times, and she throws the same tantrum at Alya she does to Marinette over the dolls. Marinette also has to explain about the villain dolls to her, so they're still pretty new. By my calculations, Rogercop is the most recent of the dolls and was made the weekend between "Rogercop" and "Puppeteer". Alya understands little kids better because she has little sisters, but I think Marinette is probably a really good babysitter when the plot doesn't call for her to fail or it's because Manon is a little kid who sees everything as unfair.

      The plot of the episode calls for it? How about staying with Manon instead of trying to take pictures with Adrien for a photoshoot, or actually keeping an interview she does on a day on her calendar then when asked if she's free for babysitting, she checks the date, realise she has the interview, and says she already has something going on that date. Well, maybe she made the 3 villains dolls one after another, but she could still have made the dolls of Ladybug and Chat Noir soon after the origins, then adding the villains one by one along the way. So maybe they actually played more than once. And with Nadja's career, she must babysitt a lot. But still normaly when you play with little kids it's natural to let them win, because of course the babysitter who is older is naturally going to win all the time if he/she doesn't play along, kids are supposed to have fun,a nd it's more fun when they win. When it's a game, but when it comes to use authority, you use it. But while playing, normally you let them win. I working in a kindergarden with kids younger than 5 years old, and you don't run too fast when you play tag, otherwise the kids will dislike you for running so fast all the time. It's no fun for them when the babysitter never let them a chance. 

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      The plot of the episode calls for it? How about staying with Manon instead of trying to take pictures with Adrien for a photoshoot, or actually keeping an interview she does on a day on her calendar then when asked if she's free for babysitting, she checks the date, realise she has the interview, and says she already has something going on that date. Well, maybe she made the 3 villains dolls one after another, but she could still have made the dolls of Ladybug and Chat Noir soon after the origins, then adding the villains one by one along the way. So maybe they actually played more than once. And with Nadja's career, she must babysitt a lot. But still normaly when you play with little kids it's natural to let them win, because of course the babysitter who is older is naturally going to win all the time if he/she doesn't play along, kids are supposed to have fun,a nd it's more fun when they win. When it's a game, but when it comes to use authority, you use it. But while playing, normally you let them win. I working in a kindergarden with kids younger than 5 years old, and you don't run too fast when you play tag, otherwise the kids will dislike you for running so fast all the time. It's no fun for them when the babysitter never let them a chance. 

      Well, yes- the plot of the episode calls for it. what she actually was doing was taking care of Manon when Alya showed up and when Marinette tried to turn her down, Alya insisted, and it's Alya who tells Marinette about the pictures and convinces Marinette to go. Alya is at fault for tempting Marinette rather than just listening to Marinette in the first place. But Alya manipulated her in a way Alya knows works- with Adrien. Had Marinette stayed at home and Alya went to the park without her, or had she stayed with Manon in the park, she wouldn't have been able to transform into Ladybug, so yes, the plot called for her to be a bad sitter in that episode.

      Marinette thought the interview was the next day, meaning she got one of the dates wrong. She might have thought it was a day earlier than it was, or she misremembered/wrote the time for the interview.

      Working with kids is, surprisingly, what I do for a living, kids kinder through fifth grade (mostly- I also do middle school). I'm a para-educator substitute. Some kids young like Manon take everything small as a slight. Someone doesn't get off the swing the second they finish counting? "They won't get off the swing!" someone bumps into them? "He hit me!" someone holds onto the basketball for too long? "She took my ball!". Stuff like that is my every single day. You have to win just once and a kid gets upset and accuses you of cheating and "always winning", even if you were purposely trying to lose and it was the first game. Kids, especially ones that young, don't have a concept of time, so ten minutes can feel like hours but 15 minutes can feel like 5 seconds to them (both of these number sets are taken from actual students of mine complaining about, respectively, the 10 minutes of silence at the start of lunch rule (which is not my rule, I just enforce it), and a distraught second grader complaining about not getting to play at recess (which he lost half of for bad behaviour)). One slight can feel like fifty. Honestly it doesn't matter if the other person "won" or not, if the little one thinks they lost, they get upset and kids are pretty infamous for being unreasonable. It's stronger in some kids than others, but in pretty much all kids that smol, their world consists of everything that is happening right in that very moment. Kids like Manon exaggerate. It's also entirely plausible she HAS won before but her loss then and now was the only one that mattered. I have that happen at recess a lot, too.

      I don't think much of Marinette as a bad sitter because Manon reminds me of some of the kids I work with. She's exaggerated, but still more or less the kids I work with from day to day. I don't think Marinette's a bad sitter, just Manon is a difficult kid to work with.

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    • PS, I love Alya's little "ow!" when Prime Queen spins the sarcophagus she's in. I also love knowing that it's totally Gabriel making those puns.

      Also, I know it's been suggested that Arlette is Madame Bourgeois, Audrey, but what if she's Adrien's mom, also going under an assumed name?

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    • The episode reminds me of a scene in Charlie and the chocolate factory

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    • Emma999 wrote:
      The episode reminds me of a scene in Charlie and the chocolate factory

      The one with Mike Teevee? I've only seen that version the once, though, I like the Gene Wilder one more.

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    • I just watched the episode and i love it!

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    • DON'T BE BEMUSED, ITS JUST THE NEWS

      Prime Queen gave me the spooks. Atleast the minor ones. First of all, her appearence is definitly what I was not expecting, and she kind of jumpscared Alya. Second, the way that she can go through screens is also creepy, specially when she slowly goes through Chloe's screen. Third, her "shows" were also creepy. She could have killed Chloe and Alya. And she also has a invisible always-following camera.

      You know what I think I will start doing? Rating an akuma's powers and reviewing wether or not it could be usefull if it was being used for good and if it would actually be usefull in real life.

      So, Prime Queen's powers are very similiar to Lady Wifi, though Prime Queen's needs some more strategy. If she is recording with her camera, we know that she might be able to interfere with any device's current activity just to show her face, and everybody looking at her is able to see her doing stuff. But is she also able to simultaneously look at everyone looking at her while she is recording too? I'd say Prime Queen's power isn't the best one to have because honestly, her only power is screen-teleporting and instant duct-tape making. She needed to do some strategizing to lure Ladybug and Cat Noir into doing her bidding (putting them in a freezer and making them kiss, which needed to put Chloe on a subway station and Alya about to drown and die) so it might not be the best power if she really wanted to combat crime. Sure would be fun to teleport between screens though.

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      DON'T BE BEMUSED, ITS JUST THE NEWSPrime Queen gave me the spooks. Atleast the minor ones. First of all, her appearence is definitly what I was not expecting, and she kind of jumpscared Alya. Second, the way that she can go through screens is also creepy, specially when she slowly goes through Chloe's screen. Third, her "shows" were also creepy. She could have killed Chloe and Alya. And she also has a invisible always-following camera. You know what I think I will start doing? Rating an akuma's powers and reviewing wether or not it could be usefull if it was being used for good and if it would actually be usefull in real life.


      So, Prime Queen's powers are very similiar to Lady Wifi, though Prime Queen's needs some more strategy. If she is recording with her camera, we know that she might be able to interfere with any device's current activity just to show her face, and everybody looking at her is able to see her doing stuff. But is she also able to simultaneously look at everyone looking at her while she is recording too? I'd say Prime Queen's power isn't the best one to have because honestly, her only power is screen-teleporting and instant duct-tape making. She needed to do some strategizing to lure Ladybug and Cat Noir into doing her bidding (putting them in a freezer and making them kiss, which needed to put Chloe on a subway station and Alya about to drown and die) so it might not be the best power if she really wanted to combat crime. Sure would be fun to teleport between screens though.

      Don't forget her creepy, uncanny appearance. She looked really creepy, especially in the face and I striaght-up thought her arm fell off before they showed Ladybug had pinned her to the ground.

      To be fair to Prime Queen, she did surprisingly good at tricking them. And this is another episode where Ladybug balks at being told what to do. Girl likes being in charge, it seems.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      PS, I love Alya's little "ow!" when Prime Queen spins the sarcophagus she's in. I also love knowing that it's totally Gabriel making those puns.

      Also, I know it's been suggested that Arlette is Madame Bourgeois, Audrey, but what if she's Adrien's mom, also going under an assumed name?

      Same, now whenever he makes a pun we can be satisfied with knowing who is making said puns XD

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Ohh my gosh. I had to watch it on my lunch break and that was not easy. I’m not sure how I feel about the return to formula where the Akuma is the main focus of the episode, but I feel like this was different because of the focus on past events.

      Did I just hallucinate the end of the Mime? Where Alya interviewed Ladybug? Because Alya is acting like it never happened. Also I thought everyone knew about the Ladyblog, but I admit that was merely assumption. But that interview definitely happened, right? Right?!

      I could be wrong but maybe Alya was wishing that she had an in depth interview with both Ladybug and Cat Noir. Rather then just Ladybug since it would have given her more hits. 

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    • Lovefiction wrote:
      Thearomalady wrote:
      Ohh my gosh. I had to watch it on my lunch break and that was not easy. I’m not sure how I feel about the return to formula where the Akuma is the main focus of the episode, but I feel like this was different because of the focus on past events.

      Did I just hallucinate the end of the Mime? Where Alya interviewed Ladybug? Because Alya is acting like it never happened. Also I thought everyone knew about the Ladyblog, but I admit that was merely assumption. But that interview definitely happened, right? Right?!

      I could be wrong but maybe Alya was wishing that she had an in depth interview with both Ladybug and Cat Noir. Rather then just Ladybug since it would have given her more hits. 

      That might be it, but Alya's actions make it seem like she never had the interview with Ladybug, either. The episode "Volpina" also acts like the interview never happened, because the interview with Lila gets more hits than her interview with Ladybug, which makes no sense no matter how one squares it.

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    • Very funny episode, but I dont like the way how it is going. Collector was great epsisode, full of story ang with great reveal, but this episode was kinda boring with no story or character developing just classic akuma schema. Prime queen was quite interesting villain with original poewrs ( I really like her screen teleporting). Anyway I am disppointed with the big error when Ladybug threw towel instead of throwing some pizza bags, creators and animators worked on this one year or more, I know that making full CGI series is very hard work and animation is much better than in S1, but they could put more efford in details. I hope that next episodes will be better.

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    • TischaDog wrote:
      Very funny episode, but I dont like the way how it is going. Collector was great epsisode, full of story ang with great reveal, but this episode was kinda boring with no story or character developing just classic akuma schema. Prime queen was quite interesting villain with original poewrs ( I really like her screen teleporting). Anyway I am disppointed with the big error when Ladybug threw towel instead of throwing some pizza bags, creators and animators worked on this one year or more, I know that making full CGI series is very hard work and animation is much better than in S1, but they could put more efford in details. I hope that next episodes will be better.

      She should have thrown tape, not pizza, but the point still stands. I think the towel must be part of the animation they reuse, and they just somehow failed to notice they hadn't swapped the items out.

      I think "The Collector" and "Despair Bear" are setting up for Le Paon (by revealing who Hawk Moth is and nothing relating to Nathalie or Mrs Agreste) and Queen Bee, so that's why they were more character-driven episodes, and this one might have been setting up a little for Rena Rouge but she needs less setup. I did like that we got to see more of Nadja.

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    • They fixed the error with the towel in the French dub.

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    • D SanCd wrote:
      Is anyone else curious why they kept Nadja's boss so secretive? I don't know why she was shrouded in the shadows, when it looked like one of the regular models for "extras".
      (if I didn't know better, I'd think they're setting her up to be Audrey Bourgeois.)

      50% sure it's Chloe's mom, given the attitude.

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    • Ladyyyyy wrote:
      D SanCd wrote:
      Is anyone else curious why they kept Nadja's boss so secretive? I don't know why she was shrouded in the shadows, when it looked like one of the regular models for "extras".
      (if I didn't know better, I'd think they're setting her up to be Audrey Bourgeois.)
      50% sure it's Chloe's mom, given the attitude.

      I'm not sure- attitude-wise, she's nothing like her husband and daughter if she is indeed Audrey. She gives off the aura of tough love, not cruelty, because she's praising Nadja at the end of the episode. Her tone is also gentler. She certainly looks a lot like Audrey, though.

      I think it would be very interesting if she was Adrien's mother instead. She could also be Le Paon.

      I kinda hope she's Chloe's mom AND Le Paon.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Ladyyyyy wrote:
      D SanCd wrote:
      Is anyone else curious why they kept Nadja's boss so secretive? I don't know why she was shrouded in the shadows, when it looked like one of the regular models for "extras".
      (if I didn't know better, I'd think they're setting her up to be Audrey Bourgeois.)
      50% sure it's Chloe's mom, given the attitude.
      I'm not sure- attitude-wise, she's nothing like her husband and daughter if she is indeed Audrey. She gives off the aura of tough love, not cruelty, because she's praising Nadja at the end of the episode. Her tone is also gentler. She certainly looks a lot like Audrey, though.

      I think it would be very interesting if she was Adrien's mother instead. She could also be Le Paon.

      I kinda hope she's Chloe's mom AND Le Paon.

      I reaaally look forward to the next episode.

      Well, from the Audimatrix episode, Nadja's boss was plain harsh ("Your broadcast was a real disaster."), sending threats (Losing the first place or whatnot on the program channel), etc. Even her voice distinctively grows irritated (her voice was smooth before the broadcast was airing); she starts to speak curtly; her pitch rises.

      As for Le Paon, I am 120% sure that's Adrien's mother. Hint is the golden painting in Gabriel Agreste's office. His wife's portrait is adorned with eyes, like a peacock's tail.

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    • Ladyyyyy wrote:

      I reaaally look forward to the next episode.

      Well, from the Audimatrix episode, Nadja's boss was plain harsh ("Your broadcast was a real disaster."), sending threats (Losing the first place or whatnot on the program channel), etc. Even her voice distinctively grows irritated (her voice was smooth before the broadcast was airing); she starts to speak curtly; her pitch rises.

      As for Le Paon, I am 120% sure that's Adrien's mother. Hint is the golden painting in Gabriel Agreste's office. His wife's portrait is adorned with eyes, like a peacock's tail.

      Well, it was a disaster and "prime time" just means she's on the air in a timeslot that's going to draw in a lot of viewers. Like, because people are at work or school, shows that are on at 1 PM during the workweek are not watched as much as a show that's on at 8 at night, when most people are home from work and stuff, or 1 PM on the weekend, when some people are off from work and kids are home.

      She's speaking curtly because Nadja just wasted precious broadcasting time with a disaster of an interview. TV Networks and shows need viewers to keep running, and that's why the most popular shows go on at prime time. Shows like Game of Thrones are a prime time slot because they're so popular they need to go on at a time they can draw in the most viewers. Arlette was rightfully irritated with Nadja's failure to keep the show interesting and pushing Ladybug and Cat Noir into leaving.

      She's irritated because any boss would be in that situation if one of their employees didn't do their job right and caused a catastrophe for the company. Like let's say you don't clock out to take a lunch at work- your business will get fined because of that and your bosses will be displeased.

      I dislike the idea Mrs Agreste is Le Paon, and I want her to be someone more interesting and less obvious, but as someone on this site loves poitning out, this show is just a perfect storm of cliches and hamfistedness, so it's unlikely she's anyone else, but it would be a nice red herring.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Ladyyyyy wrote:

      I reaaally look forward to the next episode.

      Well, from the Audimatrix episode, Nadja's boss was plain harsh ("Your broadcast was a real disaster."), sending threats (Losing the first place or whatnot on the program channel), etc. Even her voice distinctively grows irritated (her voice was smooth before the broadcast was airing); she starts to speak curtly; her pitch rises.

      As for Le Paon, I am 120% sure that's Adrien's mother. Hint is the golden painting in Gabriel Agreste's office. His wife's portrait is adorned with eyes, like a peacock's tail.

      Well, it was a disaster and "prime time" just means she's on the air in a timeslot that's going to draw in a lot of viewers. Like, because people are at work or school, shows that are on at 1 PM during the workweek are not watched as much as a show that's on at 8 at night, when most people are home from work and stuff, or 1 PM on the weekend, when some people are off from work and kids are home.

      She's speaking curtly because Nadja just wasted precious broadcasting time with a disaster of an interview. TV Networks and shows need viewers to keep running, and that's why the most popular shows go on at prime time. Shows like Game of Thrones are a prime time slot because they're so popular they need to go on at a time they can draw in the most viewers. Arlette was rightfully irritated with Nadja's failure to keep the show interesting and pushing Ladybug and Cat Noir into leaving.

      She's irritated because any boss would be in that situation if one of their employees didn't do their job right and caused a catastrophe for the company. Like let's say you don't clock out to take a lunch at work- your business will get fined because of that and your bosses will be displeased.

      I dislike the idea Mrs Agreste is Le Paon, and I want her to be someone more interesting and less obvious, but as someone on this site loves poitning out, this show is just a perfect storm of cliches and hamfistedness, so it's unlikely she's anyone else, but it would be a nice red herring.

      Oh lol, thanks for taking the time to reply.

      Wait, Arlette?

      Uuuuugh what a quiproquo. There goes my theory on Chloe's mom.

      Anyway, I understand about Arlette's characterization. I was looking for similarities between her and Chloe, but given the name... there's no way now.

      I'll assume that Audrey works in the fashion industry (given the upcoming "Style Queen" which heavily hints at the Bourgeois family).

      I don't mind whoever Le Paon ends up being, so long as they give a solid development. With the foreshadowing backstory in the first few episodes of Season 2, and the Peacock haircomb-thing in Gabriel Agreste's safe behind his wife's painting in Season 1... Everything's screaming that Adrien's parents are SPESHUL.

      What's weirder, we know more about the Agreste (haha, ironic name) than about Marinette's own parents, who are depicted like caricatures (huge man and super short Chinese woman for contrast), are mainly used for comic relief, and add close to nothing to the main storyline except for being typical supportive parents... (or I've just missed a lot of details).

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    • Ladyyyyy wrote:

      Oh lol, thanks for taking the time to reply.

      Wait, Arlette?

      Uuuuugh what a quiproquo. There goes my theory on Chloe's mom.

      Anyway, I understand about Arlette's characterization. I was looking for similarities between her and Chloe, but given the name... there's no way now.

      I'll assume that Audrey works in the fashion industry (given the upcoming "Style Queen" which heavily hints at the Bourgeois family).

      I don't mind whoever Le Paon ends up being, so long as they give a solid development. With the foreshadowing backstory in the first few episodes of Season 2, and the Peacock haircomb-thing in Gabriel Agreste's safe behind his wife's painting in Season 1... Everything's screaming that Adrien's parents are SPESHUL.

      What's weirder, we know more about the Agreste (haha, ironic name) than about Marinette's own parents, who are depicted like caricatures (huge man and super short Chinese woman for contrast), are mainly used for comic relief, and add close to nothing to the main storyline except for being typical supportive parents... (or I've just missed a lot of details).

      Arlette could be an assumed name, in all honesty, so it's not a total bust.

      The only way I wouldn't mind if Le Paon is Mrs Agreste is if her personality got wiped by Gabriel using the Ladybug and Black Cat Mirauclouses to "bring her back" but only manages to get her physically back or something. I really hate the idea that Adrien's entire life is one huge lie and his parents are both evil, even kind and doting Tara Strong mom. My current vague theory is that Mrs Agreste likes or is associated with peacocks, and she did have the Miraculous (but never wore it), and gave it to Audrey Bourgeois for safekeeping or something (them being friends is the only way I can imagine Chloe and Adrien have known each other for so long), and it's Audrey who is Le Paon. though I still don't understand how Le Paon can be someone who's been akumatised because that would jsut mean Hawk Moth has no real reason to fear her because he can have power over her but whatever.

      Nope, you're not wrong- Marinette and her family are not remotely engaged in the plot. You could, I think, swap her out with someone like Juleka and lose nothing save the love square because Ladybug is who is important, not Marinette.

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    • Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! It was so hilarious to see Cat Noir learning on TV about the kiss under Dark Cupid's effect. The episode debuted today (November 10th 2017) in Brazil. I think Gabriel anticipated Ladybug would do something that'd make Nadja vulnerable to Akumatization.

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    • Luiz48 wrote:
      Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! It was so hilarious to see Cat Noir learning on TV about the kiss under Dark Cupid's effect. The episode debuted today (November 10th 2017) in Brazil. I think Gabriel anticipated Ladybug would do something that'd make Nadja vulnerable to Akumatization.

      I'm honestly surprised he never brought it up to her again since she didn't give him a proper explanation and disappointed there wasn't a scene with him talking to Plagg about it and wondering what happened and when. But his shock was as entertaining as her horror.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Luiz48 wrote:
      Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! It was so hilarious to see Cat Noir learning on TV about the kiss under Dark Cupid's effect. The episode debuted today (November 10th 2017) in Brazil. I think Gabriel anticipated Ladybug would do something that'd make Nadja vulnerable to Akumatization.
      I'm honestly surprised he never brought it up to her again since she didn't give him a proper explanation and disappointed there wasn't a scene with him talking to Plagg about it and wondering what happened and when. But his shock was as entertaining as her horror.

      Is Plagg even aware of what happens while Cat Noir is under an akumatized person's control? This episode makes me think he's not. Otherwise, he'd have told Adrien everything even if Adrien had to buy answers with camembert.

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    • Luiz48 wrote:

      Is Plagg even aware of what happens while Cat Noir is under an akumatized person's control? This episode makes me think he's not. Otherwise, he'd have told Adrien everything even if Adrien had to buy answers with camembert.

      They waffle on this. In "Dark Cupid", Plagg laughs at Adrien for everything Adrien said to Ladybug while under Dark Cupid's influene, so he clearly remembers while Adrien does not, but was unaware if they captured the akuma or not in "Origins Part 1".

      I was more meaning why he didn't talk to Plagg about it in the way you would talk to your friend about something that happened to you. Like why he didn't ask Plagg when that happened and when it could have happened and Plagg is useless for suggestions but laughs at him and congratulates him. You know, Plagg stuff.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Luiz48 wrote:

      Is Plagg even aware of what happens while Cat Noir is under an akumatized person's control? This episode makes me think he's not. Otherwise, he'd have told Adrien everything even if Adrien had to buy answers with camembert.

      They waffle on this. In "Dark Cupid", Plagg laughs at Adrien for everything Adrien said to Ladybug while under Dark Cupid's influene, so he clearly remembers while Adrien does not, but was unaware if they captured the akuma or not in "Origins Part 1".

      I was more meaning why he didn't talk to Plagg about it in the way you would talk to your friend about something that happened to you. Like why he didn't ask Plagg when that happened and when it could have happened and Plagg is useless for suggestions but laughs at him and congratulates him. You know, Plagg stuff.

      In that case, Adrien shouldn't be surprised about the "kiss" scene. Then again, they did waffle on this as your example indicates. What I really wanted to see was Nadja asking Marinette where she was during that time.

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    • Luiz48 wrote:

      In that case, Adrien shouldn't be surprised about the "kiss" scene. Then again, they did waffle on this as your example indicates. What I really wanted to see was Nadja asking Marinette where she was during that time.

      I would guess the only plausible explanation is that Plagg can hear most things or at least the things Cat Noir won't remember, but he can't see or feel anything that happens. That or it was a mistake, like how Cat Noir's ring goes off in "The Pharaoh" when he hasn't used Cataclysm.

      During "Prime Queen"? Well, akuma victims don't remember anything from when the akuma lands to when it's purified. So Nadja wouldn't remember going to grab Alya and Marinette not being there, and she was told why Marinette wasn't in the room with them, right? She also has no reason to think she was lied to. So it'd be weird if she asked where Marinette was, wouldn't it?

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Luiz48 wrote:

      In that case, Adrien shouldn't be surprised about the "kiss" scene. Then again, they did waffle on this as your example indicates. What I really wanted to see was Nadja asking Marinette where she was during that time.

      I would guess the only plausible explanation is that Plagg can hear most things or at least the things Cat Noir won't remember, but he can't see or feel anything that happens. That or it was a mistake, like how Cat Noir's ring goes off in "The Pharaoh" when he hasn't used Cataclysm.

      During "Prime Queen"? Well, akuma victims don't remember anything from when the akuma lands to when it's purified. So Nadja wouldn't remember going to grab Alya and Marinette not being there, and she was told why Marinette wasn't in the room with them, right? She also has no reason to think she was lied to. So it'd be weird if she asked where Marinette was, wouldn't it?

      Point taken. I now wonder if Alya will ever suspect why Marinette's "talk" with her parents took long enough for her to miss the whole action.

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    • Luiz48 wrote:

      Point taken. I now wonder if Alya will ever suspect why Marinette's "talk" with her parents took long enough for her to miss the whole action.

      It was a rubbish lie. I probably would have said i was taking a shower, but if they only have one bathroom, it inconveniences people.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Luiz48 wrote:

      Point taken. I now wonder if Alya will ever suspect why Marinette's "talk" with her parents took long enough for her to miss the whole action.

      It was a rubbish lie. I probably would have said i was taking a shower, but if they only have one bathroom, it inconveniences people.

      Marinette doesn't even suspect Adrien's shower excuse is an excuse.

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    • Luiz48 wrote:

      Marinette doesn't even suspect Adrien's shower excuse is an excuse.

      Well if you're gonna be gone for so long, you should maybe spill something on yourself and say you're going to take a shower. With how clumsy she is, she could pull off getting an entire bowl of dip or something on her head by tripping. Adrien's shower excuses are as odd as Marinette saying she's gotta talk to her parents for a while.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Luiz48 wrote:

      Marinette doesn't even suspect Adrien's shower excuse is an excuse.

      Well if you're gonna be gone for so long, you should maybe spill something on yourself and say you're going to take a shower. With how clumsy she is, she could pull off getting an entire bowl of dip or something on her head by tripping. Adrien's shower excuses are as odd as Marinette saying she's gotta talk to her parents for a while.

      Hahahahahahaha! It's funny because it's true

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    • D SanCd wrote:
      Is anyone else curious why they kept Nadja's boss so secretive? I don't know why she was shrouded in the shadows, when it looked like one of the regular models for "extras".
      (if I didn't know better, I'd think they're setting her up to be Audrey Bourgeois.)

      Or perhaps Le Peon instead? Similar enough physique to Adrien's mom as Kagami is similar to Marinette

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    • I couldn't stop laughing when I watched this episode. It was amazingly romantic and funny and . . . yeah I loved it.

      I love how good a friend Alya is to Marinette. Especially since "her excuses don't work on her" and she probably knew Marinette wasn't really going to talk to her parents, as someone further up mentioned. I literally have a friend just like her (personality-wise) but sadly she lives like two hours away and I can only see her on a monthly basis.

      Anyway, Prime Queen. I adored how playful Ladybug and Cat Noir were being with each other in the beginning of the interview, when he was calling her jealous and she was "protesting" because he called her Bugaboo (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) but she was laughing ​while saying that and then she reached over and tapped his bell in a very affectionate way. Lets all us fans see just how close they are . . . and how comfortable she feels with him. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Awwwwww . . . But then it took an unexpected turn after the very-awkward brief talks with Chloe and Alya and Manon. I love watching the two different reactions in Ladybug and Cat Noir when Nadja tells them that all of Paris considers them a couple. Cat Noir immediately brightens and Ladybug stiffens and shrieks "What?!"​ LOL!!! And then she looks sooo flustered when she's trying to tell Nadja that they are not dating, nor are a couple. And then Cat Noir's face when he sees the photo of when she kissed him!!!!!!!! ​ Ladybug's hand flies to her mouth while Cat Noir sits up straight and gapes, "What!!! When did that happen?!" Ladybug again looks overly flustered as she quickly replies "I was saving you not kissing you!" XD XD XD ​(Hmmm... looking like that... almost awkward... while trying to explain to the boy she claims not to love that she wasn't kissing him out of romantic feelings... WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?????????)​ :)

      And then the conversation on the roof. I still can't believe he actually asked her if she wanted to get some ice cream!!!! I just lost control at that scene and started cracking up. It would've been funny if part of the ending card showed them getting ice cream... and I told that to my sister, and she said that would've been funny, but then somehow a person/fan/shipper catches it on camera and reports that they're having a date. XD Oh well. One day she'll say yes. ;)

      Nadja gets akumatized, the fight, Chloe... oh my gosh that face Cat Noir pulls when Ladybug asks him if he actually purred!!! XD XD XD XD

      Kay I was going to post a pic here but I cant find any but you've probably already seen it anyway lol.

      • sighs and then Ladybug takes his hand and says they're in love. If only she meant it. :(
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    • I remember there being a weird error when Ladybug throws her Lucky Charm object in the air being a towel. But when Tfou aired the episode, the error was fixed.

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    • How did Face to Face get a second episode, after Arlette cancelled it (which was enough to get Nadja akumatized)?

      "Sometime later, this happens (despite a previous judgement that would make it impossible)"?

      You can't just bring a character to their lowest point, and then have everything happy again or undone with no explanation or actual apologies from the guilty party.

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    • Kid Sonic wrote:
      How did Face to Face get a second episode, after Arlette cancelled it (which was enough to get Nadja akumatized)?

      "Sometime later, this happens (despite a previous judgement that would make it impossible)"?

      You can't just bring a character to their lowest point, and then have everything happy again or undone with no explanation or actual apologies from the guilty party.

      Maybe Arlettte did another show to give Nadja a 2nd chance due to her being akumatized.

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    • Akuma0Black-Ice wrote:
      Kid Sonic wrote:
      How did Face to Face get a second episode, after Arlette cancelled it (which was enough to get Nadja akumatized)?

      "Sometime later, this happens (despite a previous judgement that would make it impossible)"?

      You can't just bring a character to their lowest point, and then have everything happy again or undone with no explanation or actual apologies from the guilty party.

      Maybe Arlettte did another show to give Nadja a 2nd chance due to her being akumatized.

      That would imply that she's a network exec with a heart who gives people their dues, despite Nadja not being the main character, like everyone else who's been akumatized, but never got a satisfying epilogue for their troubles (Aurore, Ramier, Grimvault, Aza, Barbot, Kim, Manon, Nathaniel, Etta and Ella, Jahlil, even Alya (unless you refer to Etta and Ella).

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    • Kid Sonic wrote:
      Akuma0Black-Ice wrote:
      Kid Sonic wrote:
      How did Face to Face get a second episode, after Arlette cancelled it (which was enough to get Nadja akumatized)?

      "Sometime later, this happens (despite a previous judgement that would make it impossible)"?

      You can't just bring a character to their lowest point, and then have everything happy again or undone with no explanation or actual apologies from the guilty party.

      Maybe Arlettte did another show to give Nadja a 2nd chance due to her being akumatized.
      That would imply that she's a network exec with a heart who gives people their dues, despite Nadja not being the main character, like everyone else who's been akumatized, but never got a satisfying epilogue for their troubles (Aurore, Ramier, Grimvault, Aza, Barbot, Kim, Manon, Nathaniel, Etta and Ella, Jahlil, even Alya (unless you refer to Etta and Ella).

      i'm really confused who are the extra charaters

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    • Adriennette4life wrote:
      Kid Sonic wrote:
      Akuma0Black-Ice wrote:
      Kid Sonic wrote:
      How did Face to Face get a second episode, after Arlette cancelled it (which was enough to get Nadja akumatized)?

      "Sometime later, this happens (despite a previous judgement that would make it impossible)"?

      You can't just bring a character to their lowest point, and then have everything happy again or undone with no explanation or actual apologies from the guilty party.

      Maybe Arlettte did another show to give Nadja a 2nd chance due to her being akumatized.
      That would imply that she's a network exec with a heart who gives people their dues, despite Nadja not being the main character, like everyone else who's been akumatized, but never got a satisfying epilogue for their troubles (Aurore, Ramier, Grimvault, Aza, Barbot, Kim, Manon, Nathaniel, Etta and Ella, Jahlil, even Alya (unless you refer to Etta and Ella).
      i'm really confused who are the extra charaters

      Characters from this series. Look them up.

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