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  • One would assume it's illusions, since that's what Volpina has, but Hawk Moth tells her he'll give her the power to make her "lies a reality" with illusions and she only takes the form of the Fox Miraculous Holder because it relates to making one of her lies a reality. When she finds out what Volpina's power is, Ladybug similarly speaks like the power of illusions comes from the fact that Lila is a liar- "The meteor, the building, they were all fake! Illusions, lies! That is your power! Fits for a liar just like yourself!". She, too, implies Volpina is not like how Copycat and Antibug have the powers of Cat Noir and Ladybug.

    So if her power isn't illusions, hypothetically speaking, and considering the name of the kwami, Trixx, what could the Fox Miraculous have as powers? And by extension, what does Trixx represent? Like how Tikki is the kwami of creation and Plagg is the kwami of destruction?

    First things first, I don't think all of Volpina's powers were unrelated to the Fox Miraculous, just her ability to project illusions. I only think this because both Hawk Moth and Ladybug's words imply that the illusions are a product of Lila being a liar.

    I think maybe the Fox has the power of telekinesis and telepathy. It appears to fly and have super strength thanks to its power of telekinesis (assuming Lila's lie was actually somewhat true to the actual power of the Fox Miraculous), and the Fox can use the power of telepathy to communicate to others nonverbally and get a better read off the movements of others so as to get the better of them. This isn't wholly unreasonable looking at the scene shortly after Volpina joins Cat Noir and Ladybug, and how Volpina knows exactly how to maniulate Ladybug. The Fox can read people well with its power of telepathy, even if it likely can't read thoughts directly.

    By this logic, Trixx could be the kwami of thought itself. Her name would match well with the powers, as it would be easy to pull pranks by manipulating objects without touching them, and being able to indirectly read people would allow the Fox to both toy with people and have a good chance of predicting their next action.

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    • Interesting interpretations, as the uncertainty of the Fox Miraculous' abilities and power opens a lot of doors if it doesn't end up being the shown powers through the titular character of "Volpina". I'm all for the Fox Miraculous truly having the power and even including the illusion-making superpower, but I'd be even more pleasantly surprised if the Fox Miraculous wasn't that, Hawk Moth and Lila interpreting the superhero wrong from the little info they had. Lila couldn't have understood the code and she may have not been able to find/interpret any pages showing the Fox Miraculous holder's powers.

      Thomas Astruc in the press release video on August 31 noted that "There will be new heroes, but be careful, it works in a kind of special way." That could mean a lot of different things, but I interpret it as that Miraculous holders work like the options of party members in an RPG. TV Tropes and Giant Bomb list examples of RPG classes, but I'm not one who plays these games, so excuse me if I get anything confused. For example, the holders of the Ladybug Miraculous and Cat Miraculous are better for offensive attacks and heroics (warriors), but the Moth Miraculous is better for standing by the sidelines and making their own hero/villain to command (summoner). Ladybug and Cat Noir's allies and Hawk Moth's boss may not share the same type of role that attacks head-on or sends out their own "monsters," but it benefits each side with a new ability, like having a healer

      With the Fox Miraculous holder, I expect a sneakier role, like a thief, an assassin, or a spy, if the powers don't end up in illusionist territory. Although the power of illusions might be proven to be wrong, any power involving intelligence, trickery, sneakiness, or brains-over-brawn would still fit for this type of role. I could see a Fox Miraculous holder not being the best at direct attacks, but they could be good for indirect attacks, deception, or searching out information from the bad guys.

      As for what powers, I'm honestly uncertain. Miraculous superpowers, if they're all based on the "five minutes to de-transformation after using the main superpower" clause, whatever the power is needs to have a point where it's not everlasting but also worthwhile for the time it lasts. I don't even know if there can be other superpowers outside the main special superpower, since we have seen so few Miraculous holders utilizing their superpower and changing back afterwards. If the illusion generation is what the power is, it needs some kind of limitation or it's not the special superpower. It's odd that Volpina never showed sign of running out of power that whole time if she is accurately based on the FM holder, part of why I'm skeptical about illusion generation being the true power.

      Ignoring the five-minute power loss issue, I have a few powers I would like to see the Fox Miraculous holder have. Looking at powers associated with kitsune, there are notable options, including the aforementioned illusion creations. If Rena Rogue is supposed to act as a spy, having the power to shapeshift into one different form for a period of time would line up pretty well. It might be overpowering, but some plot-controlling reasons could reign it in from being that way. Invisibility could be another benefit for spying and quick, unexpected attacks, and elemental blasts from the flute could explain its use as a weapon outside of a staff-like weapon.

      I'm open to anything, really, but I'm eager if Rena Rouge's powers do end up as a surprise. If Rena Rouge and Volpina ever face off but have different powers, it'll be one heck of a battle.

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    • Tansyflower wrote:
      Interesting interpretations, as the uncertainty of the Fox Miraculous' abilities and power opens a lot of doors if it doesn't end up being the shown powers through the titular character of "Volpina". I'm all for the Fox Miraculous truly having the power and even including the illusion-making superpower, but I'd be even more pleasantly surprised if the Fox Miraculous wasn't that, Hawk Moth and Lila interpreting the superhero wrong from the little info they had. Lila couldn't have understood the code and she may have not been able to find/interpret any pages showing the Fox Miraculous holder's powers.

      Thomas Astruc in the press release video on August 31 noted that "There will be new heroes, but be careful, it works in a kind of special way." That could mean a lot of different things, but I interpret it as that Miraculous holders work like the options of party members in an RPG. TV Tropes and Giant Bomb list examples of RPG classes, but I'm not one who plays these games, so excuse me if I get anything confused. For example, the holders of the Ladybug Miraculous and Cat Miraculous are better for offensive attacks and heroics (warriors), but the Moth Miraculous is better for standing by the sidelines and making their own hero/villain to command (summoner). Ladybug and Cat Noir's allies and Hawk Moth's boss may not share the same type of role that attacks head-on or sends out their own "monsters," but it benefits each side with a new ability, like having a healer

      With the Fox Miraculous holder, I expect a sneakier role, like a thief, an assassin, or a spy, if the powers don't end up in illusionist territory. Although the power of illusions might be proven to be wrong, any power involving intelligence, trickery, sneakiness, or brains-over-brawn would still fit for this type of role. I could see a Fox Miraculous holder not being the best at direct attacks, but they could be good for indirect attacks, deception, or searching out information from the bad guys.

      As for what powers, I'm honestly uncertain. Miraculous superpowers, if they're all based on the "five minutes to de-transformation after using the main superpower" clause, whatever the power is needs to have a point where it's not everlasting but also worthwhile for the time it lasts. I don't even know if there can be other superpowers outside the main special superpower, since we have seen so few Miraculous holders utilizing their superpower and changing back afterwards. If the illusion generation is what the power is, it needs some kind of limitation or it's not the special superpower. It's odd that Volpina never showed sign of running out of power that whole time if she is accurately based on the FM holder, part of why I'm skeptical about illusion generation being the true power.

      Ignoring the five-minute power loss issue, I have a few powers I would like to see the Fox Miraculous holder have. Looking at powers associated with kitsune, there are notable options, including the aforementioned illusion creations. If Rena Rogue is supposed to act as a spy, having the power to shapeshift into one different form for a period of time would line up pretty well. It might be overpowering, but some plot-controlling reasons could reign it in from being that way. Invisibility could be another benefit for spying and quick, unexpected attacks, and elemental blasts from the flute could explain its use as a weapon outside of a staff-like weapon.

      I'm open to anything, really, but I'm eager if Rena Rouge's powers do end up as a surprise. If Rena Rouge and Volpina ever face off but have different powers, it'll be one heck of a battle.

      Aww, I know I can always count on you to reply, Tansy <3

      I dunno if they interpreted it wrong, or if it was just because becoming the Fox Heroine was one of Lila's lies that Hawk Moth was helping her to make real. I don't think they had any interpretation to go off of.

      Though now I think about it, if Hawk Moth is Gabriel, why isn't he suspicious that Lila knows about the Miraculouses despite not having one nor knowing anyone with one, and knows specifically about the Fox when he doesn't know his book is missing? Haha, a point in the favour of the "Gabriel is not Hawk Moth" theory! Even though I think he is, I like to argue the other side. As I'm sure you've noticed, since we're both everywhere on here, you more than me.

      Ah, I am familiar with JRPG classes, but not so much RPG ones. There's overlap but not always. I do think that they can be divided into Support/Offence/Defence, though. I think the Bee, Fox, and Moth are Support, the Ladybug and Black Cat are Offence, while the Turtle and Peacock are Defence. I don't think any of them are healers, though. I don't see a point in one, since nobody actually gets hurt. The only "healer" I can think of is Ladybug, since she can "heal" the damage caused by magic.

      I actually think the five minute rule is limited just to the Ladybug and the Black Cat, because we haven't seen any evidence that Hawk Moth has a timer (neither in the show nor comics), nor did we see one for Volpina even when things got desperate for her. The Black Cat and the Ladybug supposed to be the most powerful ones, so I think they ought to have something to show for it and a limitation to match. The other five instead have abilities they can use throughout their transformation, but they're weaker than the full extent of what Ladybug and Cat Noir can do. Hawk Moth has the ability to make an akuma and control them, the Fox can use illusions/super stealth/psychic powers/whatever it gets, but neither of them nor the other three have a special, big move that'll force them to destransform. It's impractical. Hawk Moth can't just detransform after making an akuma, he has to communicate with them when he needs to. I mean, Cat Noir and Ladybug pratically have the same powers outside their ones that cause the timers to go off. The main differences are Cat Noir has increased, catlike senses, while Ladybug seems to have some level of future sight and seems to think faster than Marinette, but those are both pretty superficial compared to, say, creating and controlling superheroes/supervillains or illusions. If the other five have special skills, why are the Ladybug and Black Cat supposed to be the most powerful when they're clearly outranked? I think not only that we haven't seen the full extent of their powers, but that the other five don't have big moves like that. It doesn't make any sense, I don't think.

      I think instead, the transformation itself causes a depletion of energy with the kwami, and all of them are eventually forced to detransform, even if Ladybug or Cat Noir haven't used their special moves. We've actually had hints this happens with at least Cat Noir, since in "The Pharaoh", his ring beeps even though he hadn't used Cataclysm after transforming a second time. In exchange for powers that they can use for their entire transformation, they don't get anything big like the power to destroy anything you touch or to create an object out of thin air and repair damage.

      I did consider invisibility, it just didn't match with the tele- theme I had. (shrug). The list originally included teleportation, but I docked it in case Hawk Moth has it, fitting his role as a commander, not a fighter. I think invisibility might be part of it, though. Shapeshifting just didn't feel like it would fit right, but it would make sense, since Alya's dad was a shapeshifter himself when akumatised. She might be able to do it, but she can't do it for long, nor can she use any of her other powers. Like an animagus.

      I do wonder what the flute does, if it doesn't produce illusions. Running while playing a flute ain't easy, let me tell you. Maybe playing it is what causes the hypothetical telekinesis to work, like a snake charmer. So long as she's playing, she can move objects around.

      I almost don't want it to be the illusions, even though it probably will be.

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    • In my weird mental fanfictions of Season 2 and on, I have her powers down as the illusions just because I'm too lazy to make up my own, but I totally agree with you two. I used to get so annoyed at people (before her name was revealed) when they called her "Volpina". Alya is independent and likes to make her own way in the world, so I refused to believe that she would name herself after a villain that could've caused a lot of damage. Even if it was never revealed that Volpina was a fake, I don't think Alya would take credit for her "work". 

      Same concept with the powers, now that I think about it. Lila's abilities seem based off her habit of lying and deceiving people. I really like the idea of telekinesis; she'll essentially be a Jedi! IN MIRACULOUS LADYBUG! Okay, my fandoms are clashing and I'm getting excited. 

      Long story short, I can't wait for Season 2 and beyond, and I'm really excited for Rena Rouge, Carapace, and Queen Bee to start kicking tooshes with LB and CN.

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    • Well, I've been thinking about this for a while. When I think of powers, I don't always think of the animal theme, but more about how they will fit into Ladybug and Cat Noir's sequence of Lucky Charm and Cataclysm.


      So I think the Fox will probably serve as some kind of distraction, either through an illusion, shape shifting, telepathy, or anything like that.

      Idk, this is just speculation, but I can't wait till Rena shows up!

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    • Jamiesmile321 wrote:
      Well, I've been thinking about this for a while. When I think of powers, I don't always think of the animal theme, but more about how they will fit into Ladybug and Cat Noir's sequence of Lucky Charm and Cataclysm.


      So I think the Fox will probably serve as some kind of distraction, either through an illusion, shape shifting, telepathy, or anything like that.

      Idk, this is just speculation, but I can't wait till Rena shows up!

      Well, Lucky Charm and Cataclysm go with their animal theme- ladybugs are considered symbols of good luck and if you have ever owned a cat, you know they're destructive.

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