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    • Seriously, Marinette should get her own Akuma identity, one that has nothing to do at all with being Ladybug. Too often I see fan-art and fanfics that take the concept and really just turn her into Antibug.

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    • Maetch wrote:
      Seriously, Marinette should get her own Akuma identity, one that has nothing to do at all with being Ladybug. Too often I see fan-art and fanfics that take the concept and really just turn her into Antibug.

      Can’t be as bad has “Chat Blanc” can it?! *Shutters* At the Very least “Miss Fortune” Has a good ring to it.

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    • In general it seem that fans are more ceative with Marinette's possible akuma forms than Adrien's. I have seen couple where akuma Mari has designer theme, some which are passed on her Chinese roots, several "Miss Fortune" type of akumas (of course) and I even read this one fic where akuma Mari was literally attacting people with sugar and frosting.

      With Adrien... Well I only know two: One for Chat Noir (Chat Blank) and one fencing themed for "civilian Adrien".

      But yeah. Give me an episode where Ladybug is the one who "turns evil". We already had what? Two, no three episodes in the first season where Chat "turned against" his lady.

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    • I do want to see Ladybug wind up on the receiving end of an akuma attack. Give Cat Noir a proper spotlight episode where he has to fight solo and try and snap Ladybug out of it.

      I don't really get Chat Blanc, like... Adrien has a lot of potential. So does Marinette. They are more than just their powers. They are more than just Ladybug and Cat Noir. Marinette in all honesty would probably get something related to her incredible jealousy. Like, in a "I'm legitimately surprised Hawk Moth didn't akumatise her in 'Volpina' instead" kind of way (but that episode is its onw bundle of "why"). Marinette's most powerful emotion is arguably her jealousy, which often blinds her and makes her do reckless things, but she doesn't feel it all the time. It is worth noting that green, as in green with envy, is red's opposite. If any of them would be turning to their opposite colour, it would be her. Adrien on the other hand has no such issues. His issues stem from stress and loneliness. His jealousy is quite mild. Cat Noir is where he can be himself, why would that relate to his akumatised form? Cat Noir is the only time Adrien is really happy.

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    • I think Chat Noir getting akumatized is more likely than Ladybug since Ladybug is the only one to de-evilized the akuma. And if Ladybug DOES get akumatized, what will happen to Tikki? Will she become akumatized too or what? Same with Chat Noir. 

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    • MistyStormSharp122 wrote:
      I think Chat Noir getting akumatized is more likely than Ladybug since Ladybug is the only one to de-evilized the akuma. And if Ladybug DOES get akumatized, what will happen to Tikki? Will she become akumatized too or what? Same with Chat Noir. 

      Well, as to the first point, in both Origins episodes, Stoneheart changes back into Ivan before the akuma was caught, so Cat Noir just has to break the akumatised item and free her from akumatisation. She can de-evilise it after the akuma is freed.

      I think it might depend on if Ladybug herself gets akumatised or if it's Marinette, and what on her gets akumatised (like the yo-yo, not her Miraculous). Akumatisation might force the kwamis out, since I think they also become the suit and tool. 

      To be fair, it's very unlikely for Ladybug or Cat Noir to be akumatised. Adrien and Marinette are a different story. He wouldn't akumatise them transformed since that would hinder the aquesition of the Miraculous, but he might unwittingly akumatise their civilian selves.

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    • Sorry for my replies, I was making a joke for my idea for a character, Chainmail. Adrian gets akumatized through his helmet, it turns into full fencing gear, and he can make things disappear by snplicing them with his sword. Who says he's limited to his ring?

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    • Renapace Bee wrote:
      Sorry for my replies, I was making a joke for my idea for a character, Chainmail. Adrian gets akumatized through his helmet, it turns into full fencing gear, and he can make things disappear by snplicing them with his sword. Who says he's limited to his ring?

      That might be what Riposte ultimately becomes.

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    • Maetch wrote:

      Renapace Bee wrote:
      Sorry for my replies, I was making a joke for my idea for a character, Chainmail. Adrian gets akumatized through his helmet, it turns into full fencing gear, and he can make things disappear by snplicing them with his sword. Who says he's limited to his ring?

      That might be what Riposte ultimately becomes.

      I wish, but it's more likely to be Kagami.

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    • Renapace Bee wrote:

      Maetch wrote:

      Renapace Bee wrote:
      Sorry for my replies, I was making a joke for my idea for a character, Chainmail. Adrian gets akumatized through his helmet, it turns into full fencing gear, and he can make things disappear by snplicing them with his sword. Who says he's limited to his ring?
      That might be what Riposte ultimately becomes.
      I wish, but it's more likely to be Kagami.

      I mean that Kagami turns into Riposte and becomes exactly what you're describing.

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    • If that's true, Kagami's akumatised form might take both meanings of "riposte" into account. Quick with physical and verbal parrying.

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    • Thearomalady wrote: If that's true, Kagami's akumatised form might take both meanings of "riposte" into account. Quick with physical and verbal parrying.

      I like this idea. Maybe she'll be able to mimic anyone else's abilities!

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    • It would be cool if Marinette got akumatized! :3

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    • CaseyTheCupcakeQueen234 wrote:
      It would be cool if Marinette got akumatized! :3

      I'm surprised with her level of jealousy she hasn't been already, to be perfectly honest. Her jealousy is very strong. Maybe it's because her jealousy is already destructive, so Hawk Moth doesn't actually detect it, because everyoe else tries to internalise their pain, where Marinette puts hers out there.

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    • Speaking of her jealousy, perhaps Marinette, if akumatised, could have an emotion-themed supervillaion? She could be like a fairy from Peter Pan, since Marinette's jealousy already consumes her about as much as Tink's does to her, and she can only feel one feeling at a time, and this is the trick to defeating her.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Speaking of her jealousy, perhaps Marinette, if akumatised, could have an emotion-themed supervillaion? She could be like a fairy from Peter Pan, since Marinette's jealousy already consumes her about as much as Tink's does to her, and she can only feel one feeling at a time, and this is the trick to defeating her.

      Could be. But I think Adrien might play a good part in defeating her. Maybe he can calm her down or something. Or maybe even Alya can do it. Actually, there are a lot of possible characters that can calm her down depending on the degree of trust that Marinette has for them. 

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    • Ayaharu wrote:
      Thearomalady wrote:
      Speaking of her jealousy, perhaps Marinette, if akumatised, could have an emotion-themed supervillaion? She could be like a fairy from Peter Pan, since Marinette's jealousy already consumes her about as much as Tink's does to her, and she can only feel one feeling at a time, and this is the trick to defeating her.
      Could be. But I think Adrien might play a good part in defeating her. Maybe he can calm her down or something. Or maybe even Alya can do it. Actually, there are a lot of possible characters that can calm her down depending on the degree of trust that Marinette has for them. 

      Well, we've never seen that an akuma can be calmed down. I don't think they can, because not even Nathaneal was willing to let his powers go when he had gotten what he wanted out of it, and he was far and above the calmest akuma. He couldn't deakumatise, even when faced with the girl he liked, because akumatisation messes with the mind. Adrien could get the object away from her, like how Marinette was able to get the pen away from Nathaneal. Come to think, he doesn't have to break it right then and there. It's possible being separated from their akumatised object for a while could deakumatises them, since we've never seen evidence that this can't or is unlikely to apply, so Adrien could hold onto whatever it is until he saw Ladybug (assuming separation from the object would deakumaties her), or he could transform into Cat Noir and try and reach her, claiming he got the object from Adrien when asked about it. She, even akumatised, wouldn't hurt him or Alya, I don't think, unless the emotion fairy thing is right, where she's so consumed by her emotions she doesn't think about who or what she's hurting.

      I'm also a pretty strong believer that Adrien already knows she's Ladybug. He's hinted he knows a few times through his words, tone, and expressions, so if I'm right, he'd know how very bad it is that Marinette's akumatised and he'd have to figure out a way to deakumatise her without freeing the akuma. Be interesting to see.

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    • As stated by Thomas, the reason why Marinette doesn't get akumatized is that she's an optimistic person. But this doesn't mean she won't be vulnerable for an Akuma to append her some point in the show.

      I figure Marinette can control her envy and abandon it very straightforward. Not at all like Adrien (Copycat) and Chloe (various episodes), Marinette apologizes for her oversights or mistakes. There are a couple of conceivable reasons why Marinette can get akumatized. The primary ones are as her regular citizen persona.

      As Marinette, the main reasons could be that she is anxious and too stressed about living both lives. Everyone in Paris sees Ladybug as a perfect, amazing, immaculate and courageous superhero who will always save Paris. But as a civilian, Marinette is a typical, clumsy, lovable young girl who has real life obligations at school and a baker and she won't always be there to pledge to her genuine commitments at all times.

      For instance, in Volpina, when Lila attempt to persuade all regarding Paris that she can spare the world exclusively independent from anyone else, everybody trusted her. Possibly, in a future scene, Lila may have the capacity to some way or another reason Paris to spread backlash, lies, and criticism towards Ladybug and Marinette could be really disturbed due to that.

      Another reason could be about Adrien. Marinette deeply loves Adrien both as both Marinette and Ladybug. In Volpina, Ladybug was willing to sacrifice her Miraculous because of Lila's threat. She nearly got herself killed. Marinette tends to get desirous when there are matters that are pertaining to Adrien, consequently, she offended Lila in the previously aforementioned episode yet she additionally apologizes for her mix-ups as well.

      With respect to Ladybug, it's very inconceivable for her to get akumatized however it could in any case happen. On the off chance that she was exceptionally vexed as well as discouraged about something, this will amplify negative emotions for an Akuma to reach her. But as you stated, this could hinder the acquisition of the Miraculous. Yet, it doesn't need to dependably be a question she's wearing like her Yo-Yo or her earrings. It could be anything like she could hold something that an Akuma gets joined to. Comparable in Princess Fragrance, how Rose's perfume bottle was possessed.

      I would love to see Marinette/Ladybug get akumatized. It would convey another twist to the story and Marinette deserves that dynamic plot in the show.

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    • MariChatón218 wrote:
      As stated by Thomas, the reason why Marinette doesn't get akumatized is that she's an optimistic person. But this doesn't mean she won't be vulnerable for an Akuma to append her some point in the show.

      I figure Marinette can control her envy and abandon it very straightforward. Not at all like Adrien (Copycat) and Chloe (various episodes), Marinette apologizes for her oversights or mistakes. There are a couple of conceivable reasons why Marinette can get akumatized. The primary ones are as her regular citizen persona.

      I can't figure how Marinette's optimism protects her when she's jealous. Like Tinker Bell, her jealousy consumes her when it shows up. She doesn't have intention to apologise to Lila until she sees what a mess she made, even after Adrien told her off. The only reason I can think of for why her powerful jealousy stays under Hawk Moth's radar, where Copycat's and Gamer's didn't, is because her jealousy is already very destructive. She doesn't need the power of an akuma to hurt someone with her jealousy. Marinette actually never seems to want to apologise for her jealousy until it causes a disaster- her apology to Tikki in "The Bubbler" is followed up by an excuse but the real apology comes when Ivan falls victim to Bubbler, sans excuse. Her apology to Lila only comes when she realises she was, in fact, in the wrong to humiliate Lila like that. She never apologises for her act of jealousy in "Horrificator", either, even though it got Max and Kim captured by Horrificator.

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    • MariChatón218 wrote:
      As stated by Thomas, the reason why Marinette doesn't get akumatized is that she's an optimistic person. But this doesn't mean she won't be vulnerable for an Akuma to append her some point in the show.

      I figure Marinette can control her envy and abandon it very straightforward. Not at all like Adrien (Copycat) and Chloe (various episodes), Marinette apologizes for her oversights or mistakes. There are a couple of conceivable reasons why Marinette can get akumatized. The primary ones are as her regular citizen persona.

      As Marinette, the main reasons could be that she is anxious and too stressed about living both lives. Everyone in Paris sees Ladybug as a perfect, amazing, immaculate and courageous superhero who will always save Paris. But as a civilian, Marinette is a typical, clumsy, lovable young girl who has real life obligations at school and a baker and she won't always be there to pledge to her genuine commitments at all times.

      For instance, in Volpina, when Lila attempt to persuade all regarding Paris that she can spare the world exclusively independent from anyone else, everybody trusted her. Possibly, in a future scene, Lila may have the capacity to some way or another reason Paris to spread backlash, lies, and criticism towards Ladybug and Marinette could be really disturbed due to that.

      Another reason could be about Adrien. Marinette deeply loves Adrien both as both Marinette and Ladybug. In Volpina, Ladybug was willing to sacrifice her Miraculous because of Lila's threat. She nearly got herself killed. Marinette tends to get desirous when there are matters that are pertaining to Adrien, consequently, she offended Lila in the previously aforementioned episode yet she additionally apologizes for her mix-ups as well.

      With respect to Ladybug, it's very inconceivable for her to get akumatized however it could in any case happen. On the off chance that she was exceptionally vexed as well as discouraged about something, this will amplify negative emotions for an Akuma to reach her. But as you stated, this could hinder the acquisition of the Miraculous. Yet, it doesn't need to dependably be a question she's wearing like her Yo-Yo or her earrings. It could be anything like she could hold something that an Akuma gets joined to. Comparable in Princess Fragrance, how Rose's perfume bottle was possessed.

      I would love to see Marinette/Ladybug get akumatized. It would convey another twist to the story and Marinette deserves that dynamic plot in the show.

      Exactly. Marinette and Ladybug getting akumatized are two different stories. I think it might have something to do with Marinette's parents. As for Ladybug, it could be because of Adrien but I don't want that to happen. She deserves her own story arc. ;)

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    • Ladybugs are also called ladybirds or lady beetles- that could be used for hers. She could have more insect-based powers then and adopt a different ladybug pattern. The jealousy one I suggested could do for either Ladybug or Marinette, but more Ladybug since Marinette tends to use Ladybug as an outlet for her jealousy, though the fact that she bottles it up (sort of) as Marinette could be what gets her akumatised.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Ladybugs are also called ladybirds or lady beetles- that could be used for hers. She could have more insect-based powers then and adopt a different ladybug pattern. The jealousy one I suggested could do for either Ladybug or Marinette, but more Ladybug since Marinette tends to use Ladybug as an outlet for her jealousy, though the fact that she bottles it up (sort of) as Marinette could be what gets her akumatised.

      I agree with you on that. Marinette might be akumatized because if healousy but Ladybug is something else. I had another thought. Because Ladybugs famous superstitiion of it symbolises good luck and the fact what if Marinette or Ladybug had the power that's opposite of good luck?

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    • CaseyTheCupcakeQueen234 wrote:

      I agree with you on that. Marinette might be akumatized because if healousy but Ladybug is something else. I had another thought. Because Ladybugs famous superstitiion of it symbolises good luck and the fact what if Marinette or Ladybug had the power that's opposite of good luck?

      Like bad luck? I suppose instead she could spread bad luck rather than having bad luck like Cat Noir, like how Dark Cupid spread hatred, but a more concentrated form of it than what Cat Noir usually deals with. I think Felix could use his bad luck on other people in the PV, so they could recycle that concept, but I think spreading his bad luck might still be part of Cat Noir's powers, since if he can, that would put him about even with Ladybug (for now she has Lucky Charm and Miraculous Ladybug, but he only has Catalysm, so it makes sense if they're supposed to be equal that he has something additional). It would be interesting to see a villain that switches their powers, now I think.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:

      Like bad luck? I suppose instead she could spread bad luck rather than having bad luck like Cat Noir, like how Dark Cupid spread hatred, but a more concentrated form of it than what Cat Noir usually deals with. I think Felix could use his bad luck on other people in the PV, so they could recycle that concept, but I think spreading his bad luck might still be part of Cat Noir's powers, since if he can, that would put him about even with Ladybug (for now she has Lucky Charm and Miraculous Ladybug, but he only has Catalysm, so it makes sense if they're supposed to be equal that he has something additional). It would be interesting to see a villain that switches their powers, now I think.

      Bad luck? It makes sense. However, I don't think that kind of power would fit Akumatized Marinette. If you take a good look, Marinette is in a way, an unlucky girl which is an opposite of Ladybug. It is the same with Adrien (being rich, a model, etc.) and Chat Noir (bad luck). I think her power/s as a supervillain would be connected to jealousy like how many akumatized villains's powers were. I think there are other reasons that might become the root of her being akumatized other than jealousy. Having Chat Noir go head-to-head against Akumatized Marinette with bad luck powers would be disastrous. Think of what will happen to Paris. I think that would happen if new superheroes were already introduced so that someone will be able to help Chat Noir.

      As for a villain that can switch their powers, I think that would be hilarious. Imagine the two of them trying to figure how to use their powers. Chaos will surely ensue over Paris. But I wonder how their poses would be when using their switched powers? 

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      Bad luck? It makes sense. However, I don't think that kind of power would fit Akumatized Marinette. If you take a good look, Marinette is in a way, an unlucky girl which is an opposite of Ladybug. It is the same with Adrien (being rich, a model, etc.) and Chat Noir (bad luck). I think her power/s as a supervillain would be connected to jealousy like how many akumatized villains's powers were. I think there are other reasons that might become the root of her being akumatized other than jealousy. Having Chat Noir go head-to-head against Akumatized Marinette with bad luck powers would be disastrous. Think of what will happen to Paris. I think that would happen if new superheroes were already introduced so that someone will be able to help Chat Noir.

      As for a villain that can switch their powers, I think that would be hilarious. Imagine the two of them trying to figure how to use their powers. Chaos will surely ensue over Paris. But I wonder how their poses would be when using their switched powers? 

      I was responding to someone else's proposal of "the opposite of good luck", which is bad luck, more than I was actually suggesting it personally. There would have to be more than just jealousy, yes- it's never gotten her akumatised before.

      Well, I'm not sure, haha. it depends on how much changes. I think I like the idea that everything changes except the Miraculous itself, meaning we now have the Earrings of the Black Cat and the Ring of the Ladybug. Their powers and also their tools have to switch, but I don't think they'd change their costumes, but it would be neat if they did. We'd see Ladybug's earrings light up like Cat Noir's ring does for Cataclysm, but her animation for Lucky Charm is altered slightly to suit Cataclysm (they'd really just have to cut it short and animate her fist closing, I suppose), and his animation for Cataclysm is tweaked to suit throwing a yo-yo in the air. I think the funniest part would be watching them try to use each other's tools and failing.

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    • Being that it seems it’s Hawk Moth who Akumatises into the Collector, but Gabriel who deakumatises, it seems there’s a forced detransformation if a Miraculous holder is transformed when Akumatised, so not only does that imply Ladybug can’t akumatise, it means Chloé can’t, either. Which begs the question of who Queen Wasp is why she akumatises into that and how. The only possible way seems to be if their tool or Miraculous is akumatised and this might be impossible since it makes no sense unless evil makes that possible. Why would a superhero need to turn into a different version of that hero unless they’re evil?
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    • Bluezext wrote:
      Well i think Marinette can be akumatized, but she need to remove her miraculous.

      There is no rule saying she has to remove her Miraculous. The Miraculous isn't what stops her from being akumatised. It's her optimism.

      Also try not to comment on threads that have been dead for three months.

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    • Maetch wrote: Seriously, Marinette should get her own Akuma identity, one that has nothing to do at all with being Ladybug. Too often I see fan-art and fanfics that take the concept and really just turn her into Antibug.

      Well, some people do better then that, what I'll do is make her suit all black and possibly make her pigtails longer because let's face it, just giving her a black suit won't make her a REAL akumatised villain, it'all make her Ladybug with a black suit

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Being that it seems it’s Hawk Moth who Akumatises into the Collector, but Gabriel who deakumatises, it seems there’s a forced detransformation if a Miraculous holder is transformed when Akumatised, so not only does that imply Ladybug can’t akumatise, it means Chloé can’t, either. Which begs the question of who Queen Wasp is why she akumatises into that and how. The only possible way seems to be if their tool or Miraculous is akumatised and this might be impossible since it makes no sense unless evil makes that possible. Why would a superhero need to turn into a different version of that hero unless they’re evil?

      Like Gabriel turned into Hawkmoth by butterfly miraculous,

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    • My custom powers for akumatized Marinette are EXACTLY the same as Zombizous powers, we could maybe have a villain called Poisonbug, who is yellow (yellow Ladybugs are poisonous), her power is she creates balls of poison and it takes a lot to cure, like my idea?

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    • With the impending arrival of the Queens' Fight trilogy, I'd like to point out that it's looking like akumatized forms may depend on the emotion that caused the akumatization. Given that Queen Wasp seems to most strongly resemble Chloe, that would give her two akumatized forms: Antibug and Queen Wasp. Antibug was formed out of anger at and rejection of Ladybug, but Queen Wasp could be formed out of frustration at not being obeyed or seen as a leader. If this is true, then Marinette could potentially be akumatized into a form of Antibug if, say, Adrien rejects her or refuses to listen to her (basically like what happened with Ladybug and Chloe), or she could be turned for some other reason into something else such as Stinkbug (jealousy), Arachne (her designer skills being discredited), or Harbinger (having a bad day/week where she feels like she ruins everything for herself and people around her). [Note: before you get all up in arms about these names, they are headcanon names. Arachne and Harbinger specifically are ideas for akumatized personas that won't make it so obvious that Marinette is Ladybug, by making her persona something other than something bug-based.] All that being said, it is highly unlikely that Marinette/Ladybug would be akumatized until after the identity reveals, unless Astruc chooses to use such a situation to reveal Ladybug's and/or Chat Noir's identity.
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    • I believe the akumatised form is actually based on the object used for akumatisation. The objects usually relate to the emotion but not always- Bubbler’s powers have nothing at all to do with why he was akumatised but everything to do with the object the akuma went in. Emotion only plays in to how they use the powers really, but in the end has nothing to do with the emotions. Kim seems to be an exception because the pin has nothing to do with his powers and everything to do with his emotions, but you could say the pin was his emotions in a physical form. He was trying to give his heart to Chloe, after all, and the pin is heart-shaped.

      Both our theories hit a wall with Gorizilla. A dog would be better for tracking because dogs are viewed as excellent trackers and the bracelet doesn’t have anything to do with a gorilla, either. He’s a gorilla because hes, well, a gorilla man.

      With my interpretation in mind the only way Marinette could be a Ladybug-like akuma is if her Ladybug doll is the item, her earrings, possibly her kwagatama, or something exclusive to the episode. I think... something might go very wrong if the akuma tries to settle in the earrings. Hawk Moth will KNOW she’s Ladybug but he won’t have any control over her nor will she have control over herself. I mean you’d have two different magics trying to vye for control and though the akuma is a smothering force, the Ladybug is supposedly very powerful and holds at the very least equal powers to the Moth since it can erase any damage it did. So she might akumatise but improperly. Which is interesting but unlikely.

      But I think the item always plays a huge part of what the person becomes.
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    • That's a fair point, and now that you've made it I think it could also be that the form may be based on a mixture of the two. The akumatization is often focused on the item of importance, and that importance is often driven by the emotions/reasoning that attracts the akuma. With Bubbler, the akuma focuses on the bubble wand because Gabriel's rejection of Nino's attempts to help make Adrien's life more enjoyable are spurred by Nino's invitation to Adrien to blow bubbles. With Dark Cupid, the akuma focuses on the pin because Kim is enraged by Chloe's rejection of his advances made with the pin. With Zombizou, the akuma could have targeted either the lipstick or the purse, and I think the lipstick was chosen primarily for the character design, but it targeted them because that gift was what caused Marinette's anger.
      It's also worth pointing out that Collector, Gorizilla, and Gigantitan can already be seen as somewhat of exceptions, because Collector and Gorizilla were throwaway akumatizations performed with the goal of actually getting the Miraculouses as a secondary objective. Aside from the fact that akumas seem to tend to mostly avoid large items, Le Papillon could probably have used almost anything the bodyguard had on him to akumatize him--I think Gabriel legitimately didn't care who or what as long as he got a victim to akumatize. So I feel like we can somewhat ignore those exceptions.
      I do think it's possible for a person to be re-akumatized into a different persona, maybe even through the same item. Yes, Stoneheart featured a character going back to the same persona, but in that case it was also the same akuma targeting similar emotions. If Chloe (and not Audrey) is Queen Wasp, then unless Pollen is the one who is actually akumatized, I think it's possible that as long as the emotions/reasoning is different, it could be the same item (though I fully expect it to be some other item if not the trompo or Miraculous or Pollen, if Queen Bee or Pollen is targeted).
      Lastly, I also find your idea of Marinette/Tikki and the akuma fighting for control in Ladybug (or whatever persona she takes) very interesting. That would be quite interesting to see, whether it happens to Ladybug or Queen Bee.
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    • Well... no, the bubbles themselves didn’t have anything to do with what Nino wanted. He wanted to throw Adrien a birthday party and was angry Gabriel said “no”. He was just playing with the bubbles. With Zombizou, the akuma didn’t actually target the lipstick, Caline threw the bag and the lipstick flew out and hit the akuma. The akuma was unintentionally drawn into it. The bag was the thing that upset Marinette cuz it was what Chloe ruined.

      Stoneheart’s second akumatisation was over rejection, not anger. First time it was anger at Kim, the second time it was rejection from Mylène. But, now you mention it, both the anger and the rejection were related to embarrassment regarding to Mylène. The Stoneheart persona was already in the butterfly, both items were balled up paper that caused him to feel the way he did, and both times he transformed it was due to feeling embarrassed over Mylène.

      I can’t see Queen Bee being created through the Ladybug earrings, if I’m following you correctly. Which I may not be. Wholly possible. It’s a quarter to 4am.

      Why, thank you. I have my best ideas when I’m rambling. Hadn’t even thought of that before I started writing it
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    • Maybe I need to rewatch Bubbler again. I'd thought the bubble wand was more important to his trying to talk to Gabriel, but it might just have been what was used to represent his attempt to bring some fun into Adrien's life. Also, I remember it being that Caline threw the bag, the lipstick fell out, and the akuma ended up landing on the lipstick instead of landing on the bag (as opposed to it hitting the akuma in the air). I think that at a minimum we can safely say that the akuma tends to attach itself to something with relevance to the situation, with the potential exception of Gorizilla (since the bracelet is only loosely relevant as the bodyguard's one clue to Adrien's potential whereabouts).
      It was also rather late when I made that post, so while I was saying that I could potentially see Queen Wasp being created while Chloe is in her Ladybug costume (with the akuma targeting the fake earrings from the costume), I personally do think it's more likely to be that it will target something else she's holding or the Bee Miraculous or Pollen if she's already in Queen Bee form/has the Bee Miraculous already.
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    • It seemed to just be a thing he was playing with in the episode. It was weird. I think the emotion and the item are always linked, but the item tends to be the more driving factor in the akuma’s power and appearance. Cuz some of the transformations don’t make sense otherwise.

      I wonder if Queen Bee is created due to a fight between Chloe and Pollen. I don’t see the comb on Queen Bee, so it may be the trompo or something like the trompo, like a top, since that IS on the design. I kinda hope we do see Pollen get Akumatized and Chloe ends up going through more character development as a result. I mean even Chloe might get upset if she caused pain to a small creature. People tend to feel more empathy for animals than other humans.

      Also, irrelevant thought- it wasn’t until I saw the trompo I realised the Sneakoskope in the Harry Potter movies is based on a trompo, not a common spinning top.
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    • Just so you know, you keep saying "Queen Bee" where I assume you mean "Queen Wasp."
      I'll agree that the item does tend to have a higher chance of directly determining the powers and appearance, though not by too big of a percentage. Which is why I also won't be surprised if Queen Wasp occurs after Chloe receives the Bee Miraculous and offends Pollen either directly or indirectly.
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    • I'm confused because what happens if Marinette does? How will she stop it? She can't.

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    • This thread is four months old, please don't post threads that haven't had replies for more than fourteen days. If you'd like to discuss the same topic, you should start a new thread altogether.

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    • I think that maybe a kiss or something could drive her to remembering who she really is and therefore breaks the spell she's under

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    • And I also believe that since Zombizous akuma was originally targeted at Marinette, she would of had that power.

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