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  • Okay. A umbrella? Seriously?

    Yeah. Hear me out: all weapons so far seemed to be harmless, but they have something else in them that turn then into an actual weapon.

    Umbrellas can work as both defensively and offensively at the same time. The coat can protect and the sharp thing on the top can attack.

    So a umbrella/parasol could work as Turtle's weapon. If we look at turtles in the mythology, they are said to be symbols of "tranquility" and they can "defend themselfs in their own." and even in the actual show, Master Fu had healing powers.

    Now, the first part is eeh. All people have different kinds of tranquility. However, "defend in their own" is certainly important. A umbrella without the spiky top and with a turtle shell as the coat could work perfectly for defence. Maybe the coat can also grow in size, since lets be real- just having a turtle walking around and hiding in a umbrella during a fight isn't much of an ally if they're not able to defend others.

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    • I honestly was hoping that the Turtle Miraculous tool would be an umbrella too, particularly a Chinese oil-paper umbrella. I like when the weapon for a Miraculous weapon isn't the first expected option, in this case a shield. and an umbrella can lead to a lot of interesting options for its abilities. The umbrella could also connect to the Turtle Miraculous' specific superpower, like how the yo-yo is used for Lucky Charm and akuma purification.

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    • I like this idea! To be honest, though, my first thought was of the "Manners Maketh Man" fight from Kingsman, in which an umbrella was used simultaneously as a dart gun and a heads-up display. (I'm not going to post an actual link to the scene, since it's a bit too violent for Wikia standards.)

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    • My first thought was Parasoul's umbrella that can shoot naplam bombs

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    • I'm sorry, everyone. But I'm just cracking up at the thought of the Turtle user using the umbrella for transportation similar to Mary Poppins, lol. XD

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    • Spoons017 wrote: I'm sorry, everyone. But I'm just cracking up at the thought of the Turtle user using the umbrella for transportation similar to Mary Poppins, lol. XD

      "I'm Mary Poppins, y'all!"

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    • But, I still don't understand why Chloe, of all people, would get a miraculous. The staff said that bad people would never get a miracukous,and she certainly fits the bill. :S 

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    • Spike Angel wrote:
      But, I still don't understand why Chloe, of all people, would get a miraculous. The staff said that bad people would never get a miracukous,and she certainly fits the bill. :S 

      We'll have to wait and see on it. Thomas deleted that Twitter post saying "mean characters don't deserve Miraculouses," bad and non-deserving people like Hawk Moth can get their hands on Miraculouses, and Chloé could go through character development to become better before she gets a Miraculous.


      Now that we've seen a Turtle Miraculous holder that's transformed, it looks like the Turtle Miraculous tool, which the holder carries on his back, is a shell-like object that is similar to a shield. I'm getting it's most likely going to be a shield, but I would love it if the show threw a curve ball at us and the shell-like tool becomes an umbrella whenever the superhero takes it off his back, like how Cat Noir's staff can expand in length or how Ladybug's yo-yo can open up into an akuma catcher.
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    • Spike Angel wrote:
      But, I still don't understand why Chloe, of all people, would get a miraculous. The staff said that bad people would never get a miracukous,and she certainly fits the bill. :S 

      Astruc likes trolling his fanbase with "No Spoilers!". Take everything he says with a grain of salt.

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    • Also, deserving a something and getting it are two different things.

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    • The Turtle miraculous's weapon is an umbrella which is harmless but Ladybug's weapon is a yoyo and most of us thought that was harmless but we were proven wrong i bet we'll be proven wrong agian with the umbrella.

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    • Unfortunate8Cookies wrote:
      The Turtle miraculous's weapon is an umbrella which is harmless but Ladybug's weapon is a yoyo and most of us thought that was harmless but we were proven wrong i bet we'll be proven wrong agian with the umbrella.

      We don't have confirmation that it's an umbrella, hence the forum discussion speculating about it. However, I agree that each weapon, no matter what object it is like a musical instrument, toy, or household object, are strong thanks to the Miraculous' power.

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    • In the hands of a true master, anything can be a deadly weapon.

      Personally I would be okay with both umbrella and shield, though the umbrella would be more unique idea and therefore better one.

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    • The umbrella would look cool with Nino wearing his suit but i sort of can't say the same with a shield

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    • It could be both. I mean, it could be an umbrella that already functions well as a shield, but fold down the stick or compress it and you can more easily use it as a shield and carry it on your back or arm, like Captain America. Or ride around on it like a board for transportation, even though the idea of it being like Mary Poppins is 100x better. The fold/compress thing would be like how Cat Noir's is a baton that can become a pole or two batons. I prefer the idea of the umbrella to the shield, especially since none of the others are really weapon-like in nature. It's not like they use swords and bows and things, that is. A shield would be almost out of place.

      If it's not a shield or an umbrella, I wonder what it could be? They seem quite likely, but is there anything else it could be?

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      It could be both. I mean, it could be an umbrella that already functions well as a shield, but fold down the stick or compress it and you can more easily use it as a shield and carry it on your back or arm, like Captain America. Or ride around on it like a board for transportation, even though the idea of it being like Mary Poppins is 100x better. The fold/compress thing would be like how Cat Noir's is a baton that can become a pole or two batons. I prefer the idea of the umbrella to the shield, especially since none of the others are really weapon-like in nature. It's not like they use swords and bows and things, that is. A shield would be almost out of place.

      If it's not a shield or an umbrella, I wonder what it could be? They seem quite likely, but is there anything else it could be?

      I would love to be surprised by the Turtle Miraculous tool not being a shield. Unfortunately, due to a turtle's nature, it's easy to think of a shield in association with it, but I want the show to subvert expectations with a different yet similar-looking image. It's the same I'm thankful if the Peacock Miraculous tool is a bunch of feather-looking darts instead of just being a hand fan, an expected tool for a peacock-based hero/villain.

      If not a shield... Hmm... A sled, perhaps? It the shield could be used like a sled and vice versa, though, so I don't think that would be different. A frisbee is a similar issue. Looking at the image of the Turtle Miraculous tool, because it's not a finished design version, appearing as a very rough drawing, of the object, it almost looks a bit thick instead of flat like a shield. It could be something like a wheel, but I'm probably stretching on that suggestion.

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    • Tansyflower wrote:

      I would love to be surprised by the Turtle Miraculous tool not being a shield. Unfortunately, due to a turtle's nature, it's easy to think of a shield in association with it, but I want the show to subvert expectations with a different yet similar-looking image. It's the same I'm thankful if the Peacock Miraculous tool is a bunch of feather-looking darts instead of just being a hand fan, an expected tool for a peacock-based hero/villain.

      If not a shield... Hmm... A sled, perhaps? It the shield could be used like a sled and vice versa, though, so I don't think that would be different. A frisbee is a similar issue. Looking at the image of the Turtle Miraculous tool, because it's not a finished design version, appearing as a very rough drawing, of the object, it almost looks a bit thick instead of flat like a shield. It could be something like a wheel, but I'm probably stretching on that suggestion.

      I'm still a fan (haha) of the idea that the weapon is the quill/feather in Le Paon's hand, and the "fan" is written on, either as multiple pieces of paper the user can write on kind of like paper charms, or as like one sheet, and the peacock's power lies in the power of suggestion. They are symbols of guidance, after all. It's actual purpose would be to help direct the flow of battle in their favour without directly manipulating the fight. I am very against the idea of it being just a fan, and I don't think it is, since Le Paon is holding a feather and it looks like that feather is what's pictured in the Miraculous Book (which, it is admittedly hard to see the page). I'm pretty sure the fan isn't the weapon.

      A shield, a sled, a discus, a frisbee, a brolly, a wheel,... it might actually be two things, maybe HE got the fans lol. Maybe it's a folding table! Or a giant button! Or a plate!

      Okay, jokes aside, it might be a slightly altered design from what it was originally, because Cat Noir's stick doesn't look the same in the book as it does presently. It's black and doesn't have the paw print on it, but it does have like, switches or something. It looks weird. His ring looks slightly different, too. Doesn't have the nubby things that make four corners. Wonder if that's significant?

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    • Tansyflower wrote:

      I want the show to subvert expectations

      Miraculous is built on the back of cliches. I feel one should not expect much in the way of subversions.

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    • Maetch wrote:
      Tansyflower wrote:

      I want the show to subvert expectations

      Miraculous is built on the back of cliches. I feel one should not expect much in the way of subversions.

      I should have phrased that better. I see and expect a lot of cliches from Miraculous. To be fully honest, I'm open to a lot of cliches, including the "father being the villain" cliche with Gabriel potentially being Hawk Moth or the "bully gets redemption" cliche with Chloé. I'd rather watch a show that is very cliched but does those cliches very well than a show that subverts them all the time without good tactics, reasons, or executions.

      What I do want is the show to subvert expectations with the animal-themed elements related to each Miraculous. Animals have lots of symbolism and associations built over thousands of years and throughout multiple cultures. Because of this, for better or worse, there are expectations whenever there is an animal theme used in some capacity, like animal-themed superheroes. A hand fan is easy to associate with a peacock's tail feather due to having similar shape and symbolism of royalty, and a shield is easy to associate with a turtle's shell because of the shape and purpose, protection. This happens with many superheroes and villains across mediums, from Spider-Man using webs and strings for catching and swinging to various cat-themed heroes and villains with claw-like gloves for climbing or fighting.

      So far, the series has been good on putting the less-expected tool with a Miraculous that could have stronger associations to another object/weapon. Yo-yos with ladybug markings exist, but I don't know if I would have originally thought of giving a yo-yo as a weapon to a ladybug-themed superhero. There's even concept art showing both expected and unexpected options for ladybug-themed weapons, like a staff, a saber, and a bomb. A walking cane for a butterfly-themed superbeing or a staff for a cat-themed superbeing weren't necessarily the first things I would've had in mind, either. The same feeling goes for the Fox Miraculous' flute and Bee Miraculous' trompo, especially with the latter as I would've expected something sharper and more direct, like darts, a sword, or arrows. These are the unusual surprises I really like the Miraculous tools, as they are still effective and line up well with their Miraculous but they aren't so easy to guess right off the bat.

      I'll live if the Turtle Miraculous tool is a shield, sure, but I want to be surprised and be able to say, "That was not what I would've expected but it's a clever idea." Whatever the Peacock Miraculous tool is, I'm thankful that evidence suggests it's not the main tool, or at least that it's a holder of multiples of the real tool, a dart/pen-like thingy. That's why I would love for the umbrella to be it if possible, as it's still protective in nature but it's not the first thing someone would think up for a turtle hero's iconic object. I would be even happier if the tool ends up being something I really never saw coming or guessed on less. Any object, no matter how silly it is, can be utilized as an awesome weapon/tool with the right ideas and direction by the crew, and because the crew has been good so far with linking interesting, unpredicted tools with animals that already have easy-to-anticipate objects, I'm keeping my hopes up that they'll do the same again with the animal theme most doomed to be already linked to an object, the shield.

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    • Tansyflower wrote:

      I'll live if the Turtle Miraculous tool is a shield, sure, but I want to be surprised and be able to say, "That was not what I would've expected but it's a clever idea." Whatever the Peacock Miraculous tool is, I'm thankful that evidence suggests it's not the main tool, or at least that it's a holder of multiples of the real tool, a dart/pen-like thingy. That's why I would love for the umbrella to be it if possible, as it's still protective in nature but it's not the first thing someone would think up for a turtle hero's iconic object. I would be even happier if the tool ends up being something I really never saw coming or guessed on less. Any object, no matter how silly it is, can be utilized as an awesome weapon/tool with the right ideas and direction by the crew, and because the crew has been good so far with linking interesting, unpredicted tools with animals that already have easy-to-anticipate objects, I'm keeping my hopes up that they'll do the same again with the animal theme most doomed to be already linked to an object, the shield.

      So.... yes to the table idea? Hmm.... hehe.

      Maybe it's a drum! Now that I look at it, anyway. Like a drum or some other percussion instrument of which there are many that are round. Snare drums, clash cymbals, stuff I genuinely never learnt the name of because I played the flute, bass drums, gongs, tambourines, bodhrán, cabasa, cup chimes, other cymbals, drums in general, more stuff I can't remember the names of, seriously a lot of percussion instruments are round, yo.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Maybe it's a drum! Now that I look at it, anyway. Like a drum or some other percussion instrument of which there are many that are round. Snare drums, clash cymbals, stuff I genuinely never learnt the name of because I played the flute, bass drums, gongs, tambourines, bodhrán, cabasa, cup chimes, other cymbals, drums in general, more stuff I can't remember the names of, seriously a lot of percussion instruments are round, yo.

      Ooh, yes! I love that idea! It reminds me of the cymbal that Master Fu used while healing Tikki in "Princess Fragrance". It's also part of why I like the umbrella idea, as Master Fu used one in "Stoneheart". I may just like it if Master Fu already used an item that ends up connecting to an object he's been seen with in ordinary life.

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    • Tansyflower wrote:
      Thearomalady wrote:
      Maybe it's a drum! Now that I look at it, anyway. Like a drum or some other percussion instrument of which there are many that are round. Snare drums, clash cymbals, stuff I genuinely never learnt the name of because I played the flute, bass drums, gongs, tambourines, bodhrán, cabasa, cup chimes, other cymbals, drums in general, more stuff I can't remember the names of, seriously a lot of percussion instruments are round, yo.
      Ooh, yes! I love that idea! It reminds me of the cymbal that Master Fu used while healing Tikki in "Princess Fragrance". It's also part of why I like the umbrella idea, as Master Fu used one in "Stoneheart". I may just like it if Master Fu already used an item that ends up connecting to an object he's been seen with in ordinary life.

      I think that was a gong, lol. Either way they're both round instruments made out of brass that make noise by being hit, though, so I guess it hardly matters.

      It would be pretty interesting if that was the case, like a subtle clue. 

      I'm looking at Carapace's tool, and I notice that there's a string or something on it, just under his armpit and above the thicker black line. The angle of the thin line makes me think it's not part of the thick line below it, since then it would be much wider than the line on the object at his hip level. But I also noticed that it's a convex shape. The description on its page calls it flat, but it's convexed- you can't see the dark green rim on the far side of it, the light green part obscures it. If it were flat or convex, then you should be able to see the dark green rim on the far side. But you can't. So the light green part is curved outwards, towards his body. Presumably the other side is the same way, because any other way would look peculiar (the outside being flat or curved in). So if that is true, it's very likely not a sheild (if it's convex on both sides it would make for a bad shield, since there's a single impact point for all the pressure to go to), nor an umbrella (they are not convex on both sides, of course), nor sadly is it a table (alack, alay... I'll stop bringing it up now), nor is it most of the instruments I named (most of them are flat on one side or only convex on one side). However, if it is convex on both sides... does it open like a compact or a, dare I say, a shell? If it's curved out on both sides... what is it?

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    • I like most people expect his weapon to be a shield.

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    • On another topic, what will his big power be?

      I'm thinking the power will essentially make its holder like Marvel's Juggernaut: super-strong and indestructible (moreso than normal) for as long as the Miraculous stays active.

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    • Maetch wrote:
      On another topic, what will his big power be?

      I'm thinking the power will essentially make its holder like Marvel's Juggernaut: super-strong and indestructible (moreso than normal) for as long as the Miraculous stays active.

      Well he's already indestructible. The suits make all of them impervious to damage, even the parts without the suit. That's why Ladybug and Cat Noir never have any injuries even though they logically should have facial damage from their fights. Whatever fanfics tell you, they cannot be damaged while suited up. It's a bit hard to be even more indestructible than that, don't you think?

      By big power, what do you mean? Like Cataclysm and Lucky Charm? Cuz I kind of currently guess the others don't have stuff like that, and that's what makes the Ladybug and Black Cat special. or are you talking like akumatisation and illusions? I would guess, then, that the Turtle is hard to knock down. So it's a sturdy, stalwart being. Hits hard and takes hits.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Maetch wrote:
      On another topic, what will his big power be?

      I'm thinking the power will essentially make its holder like Marvel's Juggernaut: super-strong and indestructible (moreso than normal) for as long as the Miraculous stays active.

      Well he's already indestructible. The suits make all of them impervious to damage, even the parts without the suit. That's why Ladybug and Cat Noir never have any injuries even though they logically should have facial damage from their fights. Whatever fanfics tell you, they cannot be damaged while suited up. It's a bit hard to be even more indestructible than that, don't you think?

      By big power, what do you mean? Like Cataclysm and Lucky Charm? Cuz I kind of currently guess the others don't have stuff like that, and that's what makes the Ladybug and Black Cat special. or are you talking like akumatisation and illusions? I would guess, then, that the Turtle is hard to knock down. So it's a sturdy, stalwart being. Hits hard and takes hits.

      Just because there's no lasting damage doesn't mean they don't feel it and get knocked away when they get punched or zapped. Basically, what the power would do is make it so that he CAN'T get knocked away. He goes from a knight to a Sherman tank, shrugging off everything thrown at him without flinching and retaliating with immense strength.

      And yes, I do mean like Lucky Charm and Cataclysm. According to Nooroo's implications, Hawkmoth's big power is to akumatize others (exactly how he gets around the five-minute timer is unknown as of yet), so logic dictates that every Miracle would have one.

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    • Maetch wrote:

      Just because there's no lasting damage doesn't mean they don't feel it and get knocked away when they get punched or zapped. Basically, what the power would do is make it so that he CAN'T get knocked away. He goes from a knight to a Sherman tank, shrugging off everything thrown at him without flinching and retaliating with immense strength.

      And yes, I do mean like Lucky Charm and the like. According to Nooroo's implications, Hawkmoth's big power is to akumatize others (exactly how he gets around the five-minute timer is unknown as of yet), so logic dictates that every Miracle has one.

      I would think if they felt something, Ladybug or Cat Noir would have said something about it by now, but they haven't. There's actually no evidence to suggest Hawk Moth has a five minute timer on his Miraculous, and there is no logic for him to have one since he's also got the ability to talk to the people he akumatises. Akumatisation is not the same as Lucky Charm.

      Every Miraculous has some kind of ability relating to their power that is there from the moment they transform to the moment they detransform but only two of them have a special move to manifest their power. The Ladybug can purify evil, as seen by the fact that Ladybug can purify akumas without needing to use Lucky Charm. She can probably purify other evils that aren't evil-tainted butterfly-moths, possibly by using her Miraculous Ladybug, which she may not need her Lucky Charm to do (although there is no evidence of this, though her yo-yo does seem to run on TARDIS technology since it held a huge swarm of butterflies in "Origins"). The Ladybug's ability, in a nutshell, is to revert things back to the way they were. Her power is creation, and it's shown with her Lucky Charm. I'm actually unsure what the Black Cat's ability is, because Cat Noir is never shown doing anything special from Ladybug except Cataclysm, which is his power. However, the two of them have a way to more directly utilise what they have power over- the powers of creation in Lucky Charm and the power of destruction in Cataclysm. That's why they're special.

      The Moth's ability is to create and control superheroes using the Moth's empathy (or supervillains in Hawk Moth's case). According to "Volpina", the Fox's ability is illusions, created through the Fox's deceit (but this one is debatable, as Lila was implied to have this power because she's a liar, not because it's the power of the Fox Miraculous but i'll include her for the sake of argument). At no time are either Hawk Moth or Volpina shown using a special power to akumatise or make illusions. There's no activation phrase or animation. They're just able to do it all the time when in costume. Logically, they're different from Lucky Charm and Cataclysm.

      Logic merely dictates that every Miraculous has some kind of unique ability, not that they all have five-minute limits after using a particular power.

      I really couldn't hazard a guess what the Turtle has, but being sturdy just doesn't seem like enough. It seems unfair, like it drew the short stick and the only bonus it got was a longer life.

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