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  • Soo...it seems like the Peacock Miraculous tool is some kind of fan. While it could be a weapon fan, I think its actually throwing knives. Look at her official image:
    NYCC Le Paon Concept

    She is holding the tool in one hand, and in the other, she is holding one of it's feathers, and it is sharp. Maybe the feathers are fancy throwing knives, and the tool regenerates the feathers that are removed.

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    • I think they may be throwing darts, which is similar to throwing knives. Whatever they are, they definitely appear to be what is making up the fan. I'm interested to see how they work in fighting others and if they have any powers connected to them.

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    • There's several possibilities I can see for this:

      • Throwing fan that returns to her like a boomerang and also used for melee combat
      • Feathers detatch into throwing darts
      • Can summon powerful wind gusts
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    • They could be throwing darts or daggers, but I read a fanfiction that had another idea that I liked. The feathers were darts that exploded on Paon's command.

      At this point, we can't really do anything but theorize until season 2 gives us more answers

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    • I don't think they are throwing knives/darts,as most weapons are "harmless" children weapons (Yo-yo,Trompo/Spinnig top,a cane(?) and a flute),it could "encourage" some kids to trhow knives at ppl randomly.

      The fan i think could serve as a decoration,doesn't have to mean that it's their weapon.

      Seperate thing i think maybe could be something simmiliar to Chat Noir's baton,expanding and such,but having different abbilities,simmiliar to how Ladybug and Bee Miraculous Holder's weapons are toys,simmiliar in functionality,but have different abbilites

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    • Why are you saying "her", it must be a man. "Le" for men, not women. Right?

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    • Monalindia wrote:
      Why are you saying "her", it must be a man. "Le" for men, not women. Right?

      Honestly, I think the name will be translated before Le Paon debuts. Not trying to be sexist, but, dress, lipstick and eyeliner? She's def a girl.

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    • I also think Le Paon might be a woman. Mostly because of their legs. Usually in cartoons the tall, thin women often have a very slim and long legs ending with petite and sharp pointed feet. Le Paon has exactly this type of legs.

      About the weapon. The dart/knife theory will probably end up be accurate. They will probably cary darts/knives around in form of a fan and even be able to use the fan itself as a weapon.

      Or perhaps the feathers will be something similar than the butterflies are to Hawkmoth.

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Monalindia wrote:
      Why are you saying "her", it must be a man. "Le" for men, not women. Right?
      Honestly, I think the name will be translated before Le Paon debuts. Not trying to be sexist, but, dress, lipstick and eyeliner? She's def a girl.

      Or maybe Paon is a girl but chooses the masculine term "Le" as a show of dominance. After all, we know Paon dominates Hawkmoth (or will if not already). It also plays a part in obscuring suspicions as to Paon's true identity, since the character's design is quite androgynous as it is.

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    • Le Paon is definitely female, but the article 'le' is used because the NOUN 'Paon' is masculine. If the feminine form of Paon was used, i.e. Paonne, then 'la' would be appropriate

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    • I like "knives that make up fan" better than "fan that splits into knives." It would be awesome if a Peacock hero can learn to control the knives telekinetically!

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    • Knives sound too violent for a kids show. I'd have no problem if it is knives (I'd have no problem if they had guns either) but I doubt it's knives. Darts or a sharp edge for melee sound more likely to me, as some other people already mentioned.

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    • I have theories that the blue miraculous' powers are visual in nature, so the eye design on the knives/darts gives me an idea: What if one knife can be planted and used with another held over the hero's eye as a remote spy cam?

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    • None of the weapons thus far are weapons in nature. We have a yo-yo, what amounts to a spinning top, a stick, what seems to be a shield, a cane, and a flute. Not exactly using blades, here. While everyone is quick to assume it's the fan, I think the actual weapon is the thing in Le Paon's right hand, which looks to be a quill. The "fan" is what Le Paon writes on. I am convined there's a thing in Le Paon's right hand for a reason, and so I can only deduce the fan is not the weapon. The lone one in the hand looks different from the ones in the fan. It's much narrower after the initial "eye" part, where the others are wide enough that you cannot see Le Paon's torso through them, even though there are ten of them and they're not exactly close together. They overlap, but they're still spread out

      If you look at the "feather" on the outside left of the fan (that is, the one on Le Paon's right but the left of the picture), the outer edge is cut differently than the one in Le Paon's right hand. While you can clearly see the background behind it on the side, like with the feather in Le Paon's right hand, the problem is the light sea green edge doesn't seem to be on the side (just the top). While that might be the background making it impossible to see (because the sea green colour IS on the edge of the feather-that-would-be-top-if-folded-up-like-a-fan), the inner edge of that same "feather" is clearly wider, having a good amount of blue between the middle of the rightmost "feather" and the one next to it. This blue is not on the feather in Le Paon's right hand. The one in her hand is very narrow, while the ones in the fan are actually wide. Le Paon is not holding ten feather knives/darts fanned out, Le Paon is definitely holding a fan and a feather.

      If the one in Le Paon's right hand is not from the fan, it must, logically, be part of Le Paon's weapon. Le Paon is holding it like most people hold a writing untensil- trapping it between the thumb and middle finger, except the difference is Le Paon's hand and arm are relaxed, not poised to write. I don't think you'd normally hold something sharp the way Le Paon is holding the extra feather.

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    • I agree with MaliciousMallard, throwing knives seem to violent for a kids' show. I personally think that Le Paon's weapons should be fans. It makes sense, since they're used in China. When a male peacock's tail feathers are spread out, they look like a fan, so that could be inspiration for what they look like. And Le Paon is already holding a fan anyway.

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    • Peacock Miraculous and Weapon Page

      The page of the Peacock Miraculous and its tool.

      Whatever Le Paon's weapon is, it does appear to be one singular object that there is multiples of and held together like a hand fan or in a hand fan. This image, from the clips of "The Collector", is the page showing the Peacock Miraculous and its tool. It's hard to tell what the tool is, but it's either a singular feather or the hand fan folded up. However, I don't think it's the fan, as on the other Miraculouses' pages in the book, the weapon in its full form and not its condensed/carrying form, like the Cat Miraculous' page having the staff at full length. I think this has to be one piece, so it makes me wonder if this is a kind of weapon the PM holder holds of lot of like a fan and can take out as many as they want to use.

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    • Tansyflower wrote:

      Whatever Le Paon's weapon is, it does appear to be one singular object that there is multiples of and held together like a hand fan or in a hand fan. This image, from the clips of "The Collector", is the page showing the Peacock Miraculous and its tool. It's hard to tell what the tool is, but it's either a singular feather or the hand fan folded up. However, I don't think it's the fan, as on the other Miraculouses' pages in the book, the weapon in its full form and not its condensed/carrying form, like the Cat Miraculous' page having the staff at full length. I think this has to be one piece, so it makes me wonder if this is a kind of weapon the PM holder holds of lot of like a fan and can take out as many as they want to use.

      But... that means the Peacock's page is different from the others. Cat Noir's page doesn't show the short from of the staff, just the long one. The thing in the square is the Miraculous itself on the other four pages we get to see in "Volpina". Does that mean that the thing we see as the Peacock Miraculous, that green brooch,... isn't the Peacock Miraculous? Because in the picture of the book from "The Collector", it's clearly a different object.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Tansyflower wrote:

      Whatever Le Paon's weapon is, it does appear to be one singular object that there is multiples of and held together like a hand fan or in a hand fan. This image, from the clips of "The Collector", is the page showing the Peacock Miraculous and its tool. It's hard to tell what the tool is, but it's either a singular feather or the hand fan folded up. However, I don't think it's the fan, as on the other Miraculouses' pages in the book, the weapon in its full form and not its condensed/carrying form, like the Cat Miraculous' page having the staff at full length. I think this has to be one piece, so it makes me wonder if this is a kind of weapon the PM holder holds of lot of like a fan and can take out as many as they want to use.

      But... that means the Peacock's page is different from the others. Cat Noir's page doesn't show the short from of the staff, just the long one. The thing in the square is the Miraculous itself on the other four pages we get to see in "Volpina". Does that mean that the thing we see as the Peacock Miraculous, that green brooch,... isn't the Peacock Miraculous? Because in the picture of the book from "The Collector", it's clearly a different object.

      How it is a different object? Aside from colour/shading, it appears to be the same shape which is a peacock's tailfeathers spread out.

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    • Son of Nemesis34 wrote:
      Thearomalady wrote:
      Tansyflower wrote:

      Whatever Le Paon's weapon is, it does appear to be one singular object that there is multiples of and held together like a hand fan or in a hand fan. This image, from the clips of "The Collector", is the page showing the Peacock Miraculous and its tool. It's hard to tell what the tool is, but it's either a singular feather or the hand fan folded up. However, I don't think it's the fan, as on the other Miraculouses' pages in the book, the weapon in its full form and not its condensed/carrying form, like the Cat Miraculous' page having the staff at full length. I think this has to be one piece, so it makes me wonder if this is a kind of weapon the PM holder holds of lot of like a fan and can take out as many as they want to use.

      But... that means the Peacock's page is different from the others. Cat Noir's page doesn't show the short from of the staff, just the long one. The thing in the square is the Miraculous itself on the other four pages we get to see in "Volpina". Does that mean that the thing we see as the Peacock Miraculous, that green brooch,... isn't the Peacock Miraculous? Because in the picture of the book from "The Collector", it's clearly a different object.
      How it is a different object? Aside from colour/shading, it appears to be the same shape which is a peacock's tailfeathers spread out.
      Because it's not the Miraculous in that picture, it's more like Le Paon's fan. It's blue and the feathers are very different. On the Miraculous, there are 9 sea green feathers spread out, so that the one on the left and the one on the right are at such an obtuse angle they almost form a straight line along the bottom of the Miraculous. In the picture in the book, the thing shown in the square is clearly dark blue like the feather, and at a slightly obtuse angle, not a straight edge, and they're either spread weirdly or they're wider, because it looks like there's three different clusters there.
      Ladybug Miraculous Book Page
      Bookimage
      Chat Noir Ancient Hero
      Hawk Moth- Miraculous Book
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      On the Moth, Ladybug, Black Cat, and Fox pages, that page in the book shows the weapon dominating the page, with a square marking out the Miraculous. I mean... on the right side of these is that same page with the other four Miraculous we saw in "Volpina". In them, you see a rectangle marking out the Miraculous, while the page is mainly depicting the weapon. I'd like to point out that this is the same way in the Bee Miraulous's page, except the trompo is shown at the top, while the comb is on the bottom. As I have not worked out spoiler tags, I don't want to put it in this. In that picture Tansyflower posted, what you actually see is the feather Le Paon is holding being the main thing on the page (exactly like the weapons for everyone else), and in the marked square you do NOT see the Peacock Miraculous as pictured here. Look at the picture of the Miraculous and the picture in the book- you cannot tell me that green thing is idenical to the thing squared off on that page from the book Tansy posted aside from colour. It's feathers are wider and not fanned at the same angle, and the bottom where the blue gem is on the green one is a much, much larger circle on the one in the book. While I'll buy that the brooch turns blue when activated, assuming it changes like Ladybug, Cat Noir's, and Hawk Moth's (but unlike the Turtle, Fox, and Bee), I don't believe it would chance its shape so drastically. Hawk Moth's changes its appearance by growing wings, but that's all, where Ladybug and Cat Noir's change colour and gain symbols but keep their shape. According to the book, the Fox Miraculous and the Bee Miraculous, and according to the picture of Carapace, their Miraculouses only change very slightly if at all (Carapace's has a subtle change, but there's no sign of change for the Fox and Bee between their depictions in the book and in the chest). The thing in the book and the peacock brooch are two totally different objects, but that thing in the picture, according to the other four pages we've seen, is the Miraculous. If that's true, then what is the green brooch shown to be the Miraculous?

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    • So if what I just rambled on about is true, then Le Paon's weapon is that feather, not the fan. If so, why is Le Paon holding a fan? Like I said before, the fan in Le Paon's hand does not seem to be made up of feathers like the one Le Paon is holding. The ones in the fan have a lot more blue between each feather's stem to make the fan fuller. If the fan was made up of the feathers in Le Paon's hand, then there would have to be a lot more than 10 of them for it to be that spread out with no gaps between them.

      From the standpoint of what we see of the other weapons, it does not make sense for the fan to be made up of feathers that are meant to be used as weapons and maybe spy cameras. Cat Noir's baton is the closest to a real weapon, and I don't really remember him using it like one all that often. Push them away, yes. Distract them? Sure. Break stuff? Yeah, he's done that. As an impromptu pole vault, bridge, or baseball bat? Constantly. For defence? All the time. But I can only remember him actually hitting people once. In "Copycat", when getting though a bunch of police that have bulletproof shields up and were intent on arresting him. That's the only time I can remember him directly hitting people with his staff. So with the fact that nobody else uses something like knives, swords, bows, daggers, etc as weapons, Le Paon's must be something similar, like a fan would be. Except like I said, according to the picture of the Miraculous Book, the thing Le Paon uses isn't a fan, it's a feather.

      So, if that's also true, what does the feather do? If I'm wrong and it's not a quill, and since it can't be something sharp since as that would be in contrast with the other five Miraculous whose weapons we know for a fact (six if you count Carapace apparently having a shield), what could the feather be?

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    • If Le Paon's weapon is a feather, then that's not going to provide any protection. That's why dual fans seems like a good idea to me, since she could easily bat things away. With a feather. . . not so much. It wouldn't be logical to have a hero that doesn't have some sort of way to protect themselves. However, I do think that the weapon could be both the quill and the fan. Her powers could be like Evilustator's: the quill being the pen, the fan being the pad.

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    • I still maintain that it's a fan that can be separated into quills for ranged shots, like how Chat's staff can separate into two for melee combat.

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    • MiraculousLadybugFangurl8092 wrote:
      If Le Paon's weapon is a feather, then that's not going to provide any protection. That's why dual fans seems like a good idea to me, since she could easily bat things away. With a feather. . . not so much. It wouldn't be logical to have a hero that doesn't have some sort of way to protect themselves.

      However, I do think that the weapon could be both the quill and the fan. Her powers could be like Evilustator's: the quill being the pen, the fan being the pad.

      I'm calling it a feather because we don't know what it is beyond looking like a feather. If her tool is in any way sharp and intended to cut or pierce like literally everyone else seems to think, I'll eat my hat.

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    • I'll eat mine with you

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    • It'll be a lot easier to start grasping ideas exactly what the feather-things are once we get a better view of the page. I wonder how much easier it'll be to see it in the shots we originally spotted it in from "The Collector". Bonus points if Master Fu or Marinette turns to the page with the Peacock Miraculous images...

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    • They better. The peacock miraculous is my favorite one

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    • I want to see that page so we can figure out why the Miraculous looks different in the book from the brooch we know to be the Miraculous. Yeah, I want to know what the tool is, but I really want to know why that thing in the square looks almost nothing like the activated Peacock Miraculous. I mean, look:


      Peacock Miraculous and Weapon Page
      ListPeacock


      I kinda hope Master Fu gives her a short rundown of the powers of all the Miraculouses, and explains what will happen if they're used for evil. Nooroo implies something terrible will happen, but never said what it was. I kinda suspect the power of the Miraculous turns against you, and you become a victim of its power.

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    • Anyone else hope she can fly/glide?

      like, her fans expand and grow bigger?

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    • Krazyfan1 wrote:
      Anyone else hope she can fly/glide?

      like, her fans expand and grow bigger?

      I dunno, cuz peacocks aren't the greatest fliers. It's more like hopping, so maybe Le Paon is an impressive jumper and can glide? Like Reflekta.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Krazyfan1 wrote:
      Anyone else hope she can fly/glide?

      like, her fans expand and grow bigger?

      I dunno, cuz peacocks aren't the greatest fliers. It's more like hopping, so maybe Le Paon is an impressive jumper and can glide?

      She could be like Ty-lee from Avatar:A good acrobatic,and if her weapons are throwing knives maybe they contain poison simmiliar to Ty-lee's Chi Blocking

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    • Krazyfan1 wrote:
      Anyone else hope she can fly/glide?

      like, her fans expand and grow bigger?

      With what I said about moving the knives with telekinesis, I think of the peacock attatching two fans together into a disc, then riding on it like a flying platform. They could also use seperate knives as stepping stones, whether in midair or to climb up buildings.

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    • Amir999990 wrote:
      Thearomalady wrote:
      Krazyfan1 wrote:
      Anyone else hope she can fly/glide?

      like, her fans expand and grow bigger?

      I dunno, cuz peacocks aren't the greatest fliers. It's more like hopping, so maybe Le Paon is an impressive jumper and can glide?
      She could be like Ty-lee from Avatar:A good acrobatic,and if her weapons are throwing knives maybe they contain poison simmiliar to Ty-lee's Chi Blocking

      Does poison make sense with the other five known tools? It's called a tool and not a weapon for a reason.

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    • The Frigid Princess2515 wrote:
      Krazyfan1 wrote:
      Anyone else hope she can fly/glide?

      like, her fans expand and grow bigger?

      With what I said about moving the knives with telekinesis, I think of the peacock attatching two fans together into a disc, then riding on it like a flying platform. They could also use seperate knives as stepping stones, whether in midair or to climb up buildings.

      You're forgetting Le Paon only has one fan. Also, I see you're a fan of imthepunchlord.

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    • Judgigng by the fact that most Miraculouses (atleast new ones coming up) are based on chinese zodiac,it would kinda make sense that Le Paon has a Fan 

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    • Amir999990 wrote: Judgigng by the fact that most Miraculouses (atleast new ones coming up) are based on chinese zodiac,it would kinda make sense that Le Paon has a Fan 

      I agree with Amir999990. A fan would definitely make sense, while throwing knives wouldn't. So far, all weapons used by miraculous holders are not used in the intention to kill. Sure, if the holder goes insane and starts getting creative with it, they could kill someone. But if you throw their weapon a slash at someone, it's not going to harm them very much. Ladybug has her yo-yo. Chat has his baton. Volpina has her flute. Hawkmoth has his cane. You can't really hurt someone with these. Throwing knives are dangerous, and made with the intention to harm. If you throw it, you have a metal feather embedded in your abdomen. The creators wouldn't do that. Someone will most likely die if they made Le Paon's weapon throwing knives.

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    • Amir999990 wrote:
      Judgigng by the fact that most Miraculouses (atleast new ones coming up) are based on chinese zodiac,it would kinda make sense that Le Paon has a Fan 

      How do those things relate?

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    • MiraculousLadybugFangurl8092 wrote:

      Amir999990 wrote: Judgigng by the fact that most Miraculouses (atleast new ones coming up) are based on chinese zodiac,it would kinda make sense that Le Paon has a Fan 

      I agree with Amir999990. A fan would definitely make sense, while throwing knives wouldn't. So far, all weapons used by miraculous holders are not used in the intention to kill. Sure, if the holder goes insane and starts getting creative with it, they could kill someone. But if you throw their weapon a slash at someone, it's not going to harm them very much. Ladybug has her yo-yo. Chat has his baton. Volpina has her flute. Hawkmoth has his cane. You can't really hurt someone with these. Throwing knives are dangerous, and made with the intention to harm. If you throw it, you have a metal feather embedded in your abdomen. The creators wouldn't do that. Someone will most likely die if they made Le Paon's weapon throwing knives.

      To be fair, a cane, a flute, and a baton can seriously hurt and even kill. Blunt force trauma is just as deadly as stabbing. Impalement and BFT are contenders for top murder tactic in Ace Attorney. And technically, you can be stabbed with the cane and the flute with enough force, they're both quite narrow. Probably the baton, too, but the other two have a much smaller circumfrence at one end, where the baton is cut flat on either end and it's the same circumfrence the whole way along the baton. But that's not what they're designed to do, and you don't usually see Volpina, Cat Noir, or Hawk Moth using their tools to inflict harm on things that can feel it.

      The thing is, knives are meant to be weapons through and through. They're designed to cut, they're designed to stab, they're designed as weapons first, tools second. The Miraculouses don't give weapons, they give tools that can be used as a weapon if desperate. Knives are by their very nature dangerous. They, like guns, have no purpose except to do harm to something. They're designed for bloodshed. It doesn't fit.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      To be fair, a cane, a flute, and a baton can seriously hurt and even kill. Blunt force trauma is just as deadly as stabbing. Impalement and BFT are contenders for top murder tactic in Ace Attorney. And technically, you can be stabbed with the cane and the flute with enough force, they're both quite narrow. Probably the baton, too, but the other two have a much smaller circumfrence at one end, where the baton is cut flat on either end and it's the same circumfrence the whole way along the baton. But that's not what they're designed to do, and you don't usually see Volpina, Cat Noir, or Hawk Moth using their tools to inflict harm on things that can feel it. The thing is, knives are meant to be weapons through and through. They're designed to cut, they're designed to stab, they're designed as weapons first, tools second. The Miraculouses don't give weapons, they give tools that can be used as a weapon if desperate. Knives are by their very nature dangerous. They, like guns, have no purpose except to do harm to something. They're designed for bloodshed. It doesn't fit.

      I think that's why I can believe the weapon being throwing darts, as one could really, really twist them as being a toy and not a weapon. However, I wouldn't deny how difficult of a task that could be, as darts of any sort are still dangerous objects in the hands of children. I bet there are some tools with Miraculouses that are legitimate weapons like a sword or bow and arrow, excluding Cat Noir's staff, but I wonder if the crew has to be careful which ones they're allowed to use and show within the TV series.

      I guess another way I haven't thought much on until now is that they could be literal feathers, just how Hawk Moth has to use actual butterflies to utilize his powers. They could act as quill pens, darts (the quill/calamus being sharp and pointed like a porcupine quill), or something else, or they could be regular, natural feathers. It's unusual, considering all of the other tools known so far are not a part of an animal, but it's still a tool or multiple of the tool that makes sense, like if a Miraculous holder used a feather duster, a conch shell, or wool yarn.

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    • Tansyflower wrote:

      I think that's why I can believe the weapon being throwing darts, as one could really, really twist them as being a toy and not a weapon. However, I wouldn't deny how difficult of a task that could be, as darts of any sort are still dangerous objects in the hands of children. I bet there are some tools with Miraculouses that are legitimate weapons like a sword or bow and arrow, excluding Cat Noir's staff, but I wonder if the crew has to be careful which ones they're allowed to use and show within the TV series.

      I guess another way I haven't thought much on until now is that they could be literal feathers, just how Hawk Moth has to use actual butterflies to utilize his powers. They could act as quill pens, darts (the quill/calamus being sharp and pointed like a porcupine quill), or something else, or they could be regular, natural feathers. It's unusual, considering all of the other tools known so far are not a part of an animal, but it's still a tool or multiple of the tool that makes sense, like if a Miraculous holder used a feather duster, a conch shell, or wool yarn.

      Well, not all the tools are toys, only two of them for sure, but darts are designed with piercing in mind. They're designed to pierce the cork that makes up the dart board, unless you're using a digital one. Dart guns and blow darts are pretty familiar, too. Darts, outside thier game, only have purposes as weapons. They're the same as throwing knives, but if throwing knives and needles had babies. It's why I've been wary of agreeing with you. Darts in a combat situation have no other purpose but to damage. They can't restrain, or defend, or push a foe away. The others we've seen can do at least one of these things if not all three of them (like Cat Noir's baton-turned-staff). The darts are big enough to block, say, a sword, but they're not large enough for real defence. While I do believe Le Paon is a Knight of Cerebus, I don't think Le Paon will be able to cause bloodshed.

      Indeed, a plain-if-sturdy feather is possible. I think the 11 Zodiac animals (presumably 12 but no sign of the Rabbit weirdly enough) might have actual weapons. Swords, shields, bows, crossbows, knives, darts, clubs, weighted rods, spears, things like that, but this is the reason they aren't often used. 

      I think... the twelve are the balance for the seven core Miraculouses. Balance and opposites seem to be a theme in the show. The seven most powerful Miraculouses are "positive" and the 11, probably 12, Zodiac Miraculouses are not "bad" per se, but their weaker powers are "negative" in some way. Instead of giving, they take. I think there's a reason why there are 7 seemingly random Miraculous in one group, and then eleven or twelve Miraculous that belong to the Chinese Zodiac in another. Considering the obvious yin/yang thing, I think one cluster represents the Yin, and one the Yang. Because Cat Noir's destruction powers can actually be seen as a positive thing (destruction leads to new beginnings, winter will always become spring), the seven are probably the Yang, the positive energy. The Zodiac ones are the Yin, the negative. They are less powerful, which is why there are so many of them compared to the seven. But that's a different topic.

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    • I suspect that Le Paon's powers/weapon will be like Nyotengu's from Dead or Alive but instead of controling the wind He/She will control the element of water/ice much like Katara and the waterbenders from Avatar.

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    • Okay now that we have a clearer look at the things Le Paon is holding, we can confirm it's highly unlikely the Peacock's tool is knives. We do see that the fan IS in fact made up of the loose feathers, or at least it looks like the fan has those feathers in it connected by a thin, translucent... fabric?

      Tampering with the brightness makes it look like it's resting against or at the very least in line with Le Paon's middle finger. Tampering with it also makes it look like there's something else (a small, roundish somethig) in le Paon's hand, but that could just be le Paon's hand.

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    • I could imagine fabric being what holds the pieces together on the fan. In this promo, when it shows Le Paon's silhouette, the tips of the feathers are somewhat transparent, suggesting a very see-through substance. The area on the fan where the black fabric-like stuff goes isn't solid black either, so whatever is there has to be a substance that light can pass through.

      Looking at the solo object, its bottom tip is rather interesting. Because it's concept art, I don't know how well the tool in this image is made or structured for its final CGI form, but it reminds me of two things. First, its curved shape reminds me of a quill pen or a fountain pen, like how they're shaped in these photos. However, the singular tool's tip has a very long tip to be that. The second object is a dart, like seen here, but the issue with it is that while there is a long tip, it should be centered, not aligned to one side.

      I'd love to hear if anyone had any theories based on the better view of how Le Paon is holding the object and the view of the object. At this point, all options are open, but it's safe to say that while the fan holds all the pieces together, there must be some importance to the feather, assuming all of them can be taken out and are used in the same way.

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    • Tansyflower wrote:
      Looking at the solo object, its bottom tip is rather interesting. Because it's concept art, I don't know how well the tool in this image is made or structured for its final CGI form, but it reminds me of two things. First, its curved shape reminds me of a quill pen or a fountain pen, like how they're shaped in these photos. However, the singular tool's tip has a very long tip to be that. The second object is a dart, like seen here, but the issue with it is that while there is a long tip, it should be centered, not aligned to one side.

      I'd love to hear if anyone had any theories based on the better view of how Le Paon is holding the object and the view of the object. At this point, all options are open, but it's safe to say that while the fan holds all the pieces together, there must be some importance to the feather, assuming all of them can be taken out and are used in the same way.

      No, the tip isn't too long at all. In fact, it's exactly how quills used to be made. A true quill should look like what Le Paon is holding, where the feathers are stripped of their of their barbs like this one , which is how quills used to be done before keeping the barbs became a fashion for prettier quills. Le Paon's feather is how I always envisioned Gilderoy Lockhart's ostentatious peacock quill to look, too.

      I actually wonder if that fan isn't just an extra thing in Le Paon's costume, like how Cat Noir has a bell on his suit or how Carapace has a hood. Le Paon chose a dress with quite tall heels, so they obviously don't intend to be combative. With that in mind, their costume doesn't need to be practical in any way or have pratical elements to it.

      Peacock Miraculous and Weapon Page

      The fan could be something that came with the costume but isn't part of it. Or considering an observation I made before, that fan has to do with the actual Miraculous itself, because the thing on that page of the book we can barely see is that fan, not the Miraculous. Like it's at the very least clearly not the Miraculous, and on the other page, we can kind of see the singular feather in the Ancient Chinese Peacock Holder's hand. Also, I want to bring up that in Le Paon's hand holding the feather you can very faintly see something roundish in their palm. I'm really not sure I'm seeing it, but I'm pretty sure there's something there. There's a weird something between her middle and index fingers that seems to be coming offf it. Something like her cocktail hat, only small? It might be part of her sleeve, if her sleeve hooks around her middle finger (which I think it does, if you squint at the hand holding the fan, where you can faintly see a line on the outer side of her middle finger.

      One thing I notice but I'm not sure on is that she has claws like Cat Noir, right? It's not just me, her fingertips look sharp? Most clearly the one holding the fan. or am I seeing things after staring at the pictures trying to figure this out?

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    • The miraculous isn't meant for goofing off. It's meant for defeating evil, thus meaning that they're going to be active. The costume is meant for combat. You also can't choose the costume, as seen in the three times we see a person first transform. You also can't choose the weapon. It's like the Miraculous has its own mind. It's automatically equipped and ready to defeat the villain. For example: Ladybug's yo-yo. The Moth miraculous isn't an evil miraculous, but the user used it to cause harm. Then the Miraculous was prepared to make akumas. Ladybug's yo-yo was immediately prepared to purify akumas.

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    • MiraculousLadybugFangurl8092 wrote:
      The miraculous isn't meant for goofing off. It's meant for defeating evil, thus meaning that they're going to be active. The costume is meant for combat. You also can't choose the costume, as seen in the three times we see a person first transform. You also can't choose the weapon. It's like the Miraculous has its own mind. It's automatically equipped and ready to defeat the villain. For example: Ladybug's yo-yo. The Moth miraculous isn't an evil miraculous, but the user used it to cause harm. Then the Miraculous was prepared to make akumas. Ladybug's yo-yo was immediately prepared to purify akumas.

      Nobody said they're for goofing off, but there's more to fighting than combat. Manipulators don't need to be active in a fight. Hawk Moth is not meant to go into direct combat. The Moth Miraculous has no known powers on its own, just the power to act through others. There's nothing saying the Peacock isn't the same way. That dress and those heels are not suited for hand-to-hand combat. Le Paon is likely capable of combat but the costume is not designed with it in mind. Le Paon uses the Peacock to act from the shadows.

      We actually have no idea how the costumes come to be, but it seems to act on at least a subconcious desire for each bearer considering all the different Ladybugs and the fact that Astruc does art where Ladybug's changes when she gets older. It's also possible a concious desire could manipulate how the suit looks if they're actually expecting it (unlike Marinette at first). Additionally, no one said that the weapon was chosen or changes- it's very obvious they're concrete. What was said is that the hand fan is not the tool but an accessory, like Cat Noir's bell, Carapace's hood, and Rena Rouge's/Volpina's/Cat Noir's "ears", because in the Miraculous book, the thing depicted as the tool is simply not a hand fan. The hand fan is not the tool, it seems to just be an accessory right now. The tool is the solo feather in Le Paon's other hand.

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    • Even if his powers aren't meant for direct combat, I'm sure Hawk Moth still has a few surprises up his sleeve for when he actually is made to fight. Same with Le Paon.

      And some of the Akuma seen wear some of the most impractical outfits and shoes around, yet they don't impede on their combat ability one bit. I doubt such designs will be a problem for Miracles, either.

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    • Maetch wrote:
      Even if his powers aren't meant for direct combat, I'm sure Hawk Moth still has a few surprises up his sleeve for when he actually is made to fight. Same with Le Paon.

      And some of the Akuma seen wear some of the most impractical outfits and shoes around, yet they don't impede on their combat ability one bit. I doubt such designs will be a problem for Miracles, either.

      Sure, but considering what we know about Le Paon and comparing them to Hawk Moth, it's unlikely Le Paon intends to be combative. They probably, I agree, both CAN engage in physical combat, but they aren't MEANT for it. Le Paon's outfit is nothing on some women in superhero media, but it's a little off the wall for this show for a physical fighter, considering most of the akumas with crazy impractical outfits (Reflekta comes to mind) aren't physically combative. With thoses easily four inch heels, I don't know if Le Paon would actually engage in a physical battle of their own will, so "chose/subconciously chose/got" something that suits their intention for the Miraculous.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Maetch wrote:
      Even if his powers aren't meant for direct combat, I'm sure Hawk Moth still has a few surprises up his sleeve for when he actually is made to fight. Same with Le Paon.

      And some of the Akuma seen wear some of the most impractical outfits and shoes around, yet they don't impede on their combat ability one bit. I doubt such designs will be a problem for Miracles, either.

      Sure, but considering what we know about Le Paon and comparing them to Hawk Moth, it's unlikely Le Paon intends to be combative. They probably, I agree, both CAN engage in physical combat, but they aren't MEANT for it. Le Paon's outfit is nothing on some women in superhero media, but it's a little off the wall for this show for a physical fighter, considering most of the akumas with crazy impractical outfits (Reflekta comes to mind) aren't physically combative. With thoses easily four inch heels, I don't know if Le Paon would actually engage in a physical battle of their own will, so "chose/subconciously chose/got" something that suits their intention for the Miraculous.

      You see the heels on the silver swordgirl Akuma? There's no way her powers aren't physically combative based on initial impressions of her design, and she's going to be fighting in shoes you would never wear to a fight. Either the heels will be removed in the final product or they'll stay and she won't show any difficulties in fighting with them on because of Akuma/Miracle magic.

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    • Maetch wrote:

      You see the heels on the silver swordgirl Akuma? There's no way her powers aren't physically combative based on initial impressions of her design, and she's going to be fighting in shoes you would never wear to a fight. Either the heels will be removed in the final product or they'll stay and she won't show any difficulties in fighting with them on because Akuma magic.

      True, but they're an exception so far, and the rest of her getup is practical, unlike Le Paon with a dress whose train can easily be stepped on. Plus, part of their vision is obscured by their cocktail hat. It's completely illogical to assume Le Paon is meant to engage in physical combat, especially since they're supposed to be even scarier and better than Hawk Moth, so approaching Cat Noir and Ladybug directly when they work so well together would be a folly that could strip them of their Miraculous.

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    • Rule of Cool tends to override practicality in these kinds of shows. Best to just roll with it.

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    • Maetch wrote:
      Rule of Cool tends to override practicality in these kinds of shows. Best to just roll with it.

      Do you think Le Paon is fully intended to be a physical fighter? I ask that honestly, not as a challenge.

      I'm not saying Le Paon can't fight. I'm saying they're not meant to be going out and fighting more than just manipulating, so they can afford to wear something so ill-suited for combat. If Le Paon is Hawk Moth's "boss" and will make Hawk Moth appear like "a baby" in comparison, it doesn't make sense for them to be going out and engaging in combat.

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    • Oddly enough, a lot of akumatized villains have high heels or high platform shoes, including Princess Fragrance, Reflekta, Prime Queen, Style Queen, and even the Collector. Even Queen Bee has a bit of a heel. The Collector is rather agile and acrobatic from the footage we've seen, so I don't know if high heels are a hindrance to characters in the Miraculous universe like they should be in real life for combat.

      However, I get where both sides are coming from. Le Paon looks like a femme fatale to me in design, and both she and Hawk Moth are dressed in a way that says they don't necessarily have to engage in combat unless it's really necessary. However, a lot of well-dressed akumatized villains that look like they would be hands-off can also be really aggressive with their offense. Hawk Moth is probably not going to be one to get his hands dirty with combat unless caught in the act, but it's hard to judge on Le Paon at the moment with only a still image. I could see her being behind-the-scenes and rarely engaging in battle, or I could see her being a ferocious or sneaky fighter that isn't limited in the same way that Hawky is. I'm open for either, really, and as long as she has a power to defend herself and/or fight with, she'll do fine.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Maetch wrote:
      Rule of Cool tends to override practicality in these kinds of shows. Best to just roll with it.
      Do you think Le Paon is fully intended to be a physical fighter? I ask that honestly, not as a challenge.

      I'm not saying Le Paon can't fight. I'm saying they're not meant to be going out and fighting more than just manipulating, so they can afford to wear something so ill-suited for combat. If Le Paon is Hawk Moth's "boss" and will make Hawk Moth appear like "a baby" in comparison, it doesn't make sense for them to be going out and engaging in combat.

      When they fight, I expect them to be utterly dominating Ladybug and her team like they're nothing, at least at first. Villains who mostly send out minions to fight are usually incredibly powerful on the rare occasions when they do fight directly. The main reason they hide behind minions is the typical villainous cliche of being too arrogant and confident to think it's worth wasting energy fighting the heroes yourself when you can make others fight for you.

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    • Maetch wrote:

      When they fight, I expect them to be utterly dominating Ladybug and her team like they're nothing, at least at first. Villains who mostly send out minions to fight are usually incredibly powerful on the rare occasions when they do fight directly. The main reason they hide behind minions is the typical villainous cliche of being too arrogant and confident to think it's worth wasting energy fighting the heroes yourself when you can make others fight for you.

      Well, yeah, I expect that, too, impraticalities of the outfit aside. But that's not the same as expecting they're specifically meant to be combative like Ladybug and Cat Noir are rather than being more like Hawk Moth. I think the outfit is an indicator that Le Paon isn't going to be doing a lot of fighting, but the power Le Paon commands along with their intellect means that if they do fight, it'll be a curb-stomp battle. She can fight dressed as she is with no problem if, and only if, she's not a common fighter because it highlights how dangerous they are. That they can calmly walk into battle in a gown and four inch heels and barely have to do anything to take down Ladybug and Cat Noir, even fighting at full power and using Lucky Charm and Cataclysm. That kind of thing only works once or twice. They can't sell Le Paon as a powerful, formiddable person, moreso than Hawk Moth, if she's constantly getting beaten down worse than him.

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    • Honestly, for all we know it's just concept art, but I'm excited for when the real  season is released and we can find these things out for ourselves :D

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    • So far the only hint of the powers of Le Paon are the colors of the Peacock Kwami and the constant water(tears) coming out of Duusu's eyes, this may indicate that the kwami will have the powers of water but the powers can also be entirely unique such as the ability to control the stars and hydrokinesis like Lapis Lazuli from Steven Universe.

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    • Tesshu wrote:
      So far the only hint of the powers of Le Paon are the colors of the Peacock Kwami and the constant water(tears) coming out of Duusu's eyes, this may indicate that the kwami will have the powers of water but the powers can also be entirely unique such as the ability to control the stars and hydrokinesis like Lapis Lazuli from Steven Universe.

      That doesn't seem to fit with the powers of the Ladybug, Black Cat, and Moth, and hypothetically the Fox, though. Dusuu could be sensitive, and that's why she's crying. Le Paon could have emotion powers, but she can manipulate emotions, rather than exploit them like Hawk Moth does.

      Peacocks have blue bodies, it's their tails that are green(ish). I don't think the colour factors in any more than we have reason to believe Ladybug has fire powers, Rena Rouge has earth powers, Carapace has wind powers, or Cat Noir has darkness powers.

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    • Tesshu wrote:
      So far the only hint of the powers of Le Paon are the colors of the Peacock Kwami and the constant water(tears) coming out of Duusu's eyes, this may indicate that the kwami will have the powers of water but the powers can also be entirely unique such as the ability to control the stars and hydrokinesis like Lapis Lazuli from Steven Universe.

      While I do not suspect actual water powers, I have an idea that the peacock is aligned with the Chinese element of Water, and therefore has water imagery. Like, being dowsed in water during the transformation or using their special power is accompanied by the sound of water droplets. As for powers, the Water element is associated with Wisdom, and combined with the peacocks symbolizing sight, I'm thinking some kind of clairvoyance or precognition.

      There's my crazier idea that the five outer Miraculouses have elemental powers for their wielders to unlock as they get stronger.

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    • I'm thinking that Le Peons powers are enhanced eyesight or more advanced supernatural powers of sensing objects and people this is because a peacock sees more and has more of an advanced way of understanding and identifing what the object is in front of them. Le Peon's weapons however are not associated with the actual hero, so Ladybug has a yoyo, Hawk Moth has a cane, Cat Noir has a staff and Le Peon will have a different type of weapon. 

      Le Peon might have throwing knives but if we look at Ladybug's weapon its a yoyo which might prove a useless weapon but then again, Thomas Astruc did his move that he known for, Imagination. He made Ladybugs yoya a very deadly weapon therefore Le Peons weapon might be a fan, another useless weapon that won't prove useless at all.

      But this pattern doesn't just follow Ladybug it follows Cat Noir ( a bit) And Hawk Moth ( a little bit once again) and not just those but Lady Wifi, Volpina, and a lot of other villans to.

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    • This theory is confirmed! Ish...
      Peacock Tool Page

      The Miraculous book all follow a pattern in their pages which are picture of a transformed superhero in a page, and Miraculous + weapon in another one

      in the Peacock's page, the pattern is repeated but only one of the feather is right next to the Miraculous, not the entire fan.

      The feathers might be throwing knives, darts or even knives, but whatever they are, they are the weapon.

      Since there are multiple of them, I think its safe to assume that they are some sort of throwing knives/darts.

      Also, the fan does fits how all Miraculous weapons look safe but aren't- a person could very well mistake Le Paon's fan as a fancy accessory and not notice the throwing knives in it, because its a good violent style choice.

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    • With the knowledge that Hawk Moth hides a sword in his cane, the idea of all Miraculous tools being non-lethal doesn't really apply anymore and so these could very well be darts. Personally, I like the idea that the tool itself changes with its user's nature, gaining more lethal traits when used for evil.

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    • I'm 100% sure that isn't a knife.

      First point: Throwing knives have to be balanced at the hilt so they can rotate correctly through the air. Those are obviously not going to be balanced at the hilt because the shape does not allow for it.

      Second point: What knife is shaped like that? It's got a very long, very skinny "handle" and a short, wide "blade". It's got more in common with spears than knives.

      Third point: She is holding it in an awful funny way to be a knife.

      Fourth point: Hawk Moth's cane can be a sword, yes, but it's natural state is a cane, as shown in the Miraculous book. It's a cane first and foremost and this cannot be ignored.

      Fifth(ish) point: I think Maetch has a point, but I don't think it's an "evil" thing- multiple past Ladybugs, namely the canon-designed La Coccinelle and Jeanne d'Arc, use blades (a rapier and a spear in their cases) in tandem with their yo-yo. I think Hawk Moth's sword is the same way- it's simply an addition to the Tool a Miraculous can create in addition to the tool itself. Seeing as the Miraculous spellbook shows the Tool of the Moth(erfly) Miraculous is a cane, the sword is an addition. It doesn't show the blade at all, even though it could, because the yo-yo's string is shown and Cat Noir's baton is extended. Considering how La Coccinelle probably didn't carry a rapier around with her, it was probably part of her outfit. Tentomushi definitely doesn't carry her weapon around. When she's not Tentomushi, she's a shrine maiden. She isn't going to be carrying around a nekode in Feudal Japan if she's a miko. Seeing as her design was approved by Astruc, she is a good indicator that weapons can be created by the Miraculous, but that is not its standard tool.

      By that logic, the "all Miraculous tools being non-lethal" thing does still apply, but the Miraculous can make a lethal tool to go with the actual tool if it needs to. If anything Le Paon carries is lethal, it's the fan, because the fan is not the tool.

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    • I didn't say "knife". I said "dart", like the kind you throw at those circular targets in bars.

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    • Thearomalady wrote: Hawk Moth's changes its appearance by growing wings, but that's all, where Ladybug and Cat Noir's change colour and gain symbols but keep their shape. According to the book, the Fox Miraculous and the Bee Miraculous, and according to the picture of Carapace, their Miraculouses only change very slightly if at all (Carapace's has a subtle change, but there's no sign of change for the Fox and Bee between their depictions in the book and in the chest).</span>

      The moth miraculous DOES change drastically, the brooch part itself shrinks, leaving a purple orb, you can look it up

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    • Shallow Seth wrote:

      Thearomalady wrote: Hawk Moth's changes its appearance by growing wings, but that's all, where Ladybug and Cat Noir's change colour and gain symbols but keep their shape. According to the book, the Fox Miraculous and the Bee Miraculous, and according to the picture of Carapace, their Miraculouses only change very slightly if at all (Carapace's has a subtle change, but there's no sign of change for the Fox and Bee between their depictions in the book and in the chest).</span>

      The moth miraculous DOES change drastically, the brooch part itself shrinks, leaving a purple orb, you can look it up

      Indeed!

      The Moth Miraculous in its unactivated form is just a lil purple orb. In its transformed form, it gains wings. The Fox and Bee Miraculous might also look different when transformed and deactivated, however all Miraculouses look transformed in the jewerly box.

      HF S01EP11 (954)

      The Moth Miraculous transformed.

      Mothuntransformed

      Moth Miraculous deactivated

      OR1-(3)

      The jewerly box. Notice how all Miraculouses look activated, including the Moth and both Ladybug's and Cat's.

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    • The orb component looks larger in the box.

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    • Son of Nemesis34 wrote: The orb component looks larger in the box.

      True, it seems that the orb grows, im not sure anymore... It’s a small oval, that turns into a orb with wings.

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:

      Shallow Seth wrote:

      Thearomalady wrote: Hawk Moth's changes its appearance by growing wings, but that's all, where Ladybug and Cat Noir's change colour and gain symbols but keep their shape. According to the book, the Fox Miraculous and the Bee Miraculous, and according to the picture of Carapace, their Miraculouses only change very slightly if at all (Carapace's has a subtle change, but there's no sign of change for the Fox and Bee between their depictions in the book and in the chest).</span>

      The moth miraculous DOES change drastically, the brooch part itself shrinks, leaving a purple orb, you can look it up

      Indeed!

      The Moth Miraculous in its unactivated form is just a lil purple orb. In its transformed form, it gains wings. The Fox and Bee Miraculous might also look different when transformed and deactivated, however all Miraculouses look transformed in the jewerly box.

      HF S01EP11 (954)

      The Moth Miraculous transformed.

      Mothuntransformed

      Moth Miraculous deactivated

      OR1-(3)

      The jewerly box. Notice how all Miraculouses look activated, including the Moth and both Ladybug's and Cat's.

      And we know that when a kwami is in a miraculous, it looks activated, wether it’s a transformation or not...
      So duusuu IS in the peacock miraculous st the Agreste manor.

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    • The Moth Miraculous having a sphere shape instead of an oval shape might just be an oversight.

      Also, kind of off topic but like how Shallow said, the Miraculouses all look activated when a kwami is inhabiting it, either because it doesn't have a owner or because the owner is transformed.

      And whenever a Miraculous gets a new owner, the kwami flies out of it in an aura-like sphere. This happened to Tikki, Plagg and Nooroo. I wonder how Chloe is going to react to Pollen just sticking out of a hair comb?

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote: The Moth Miraculous having a sphere shape instead of an oval shape might just be an oversight.

      Also, kind of off topic but like how Shallow said, the Miraculouses all look activated when a kwami is inhabiting it, either because it doesn't have a owner or because the owner is transformed.

      And whenever a Miraculous gets a new owner, the kwami flies out of it in an aura-like sphere. This happened to Tikki, Plagg and Nooroo. I wonder how Chloe is going to react to Pollen just sticking out of a hair comb?

      I’m pretty sure there was one (leaked, I believe)clip where Chloe opened up the box, and starts freaking out when a golden orb of energy comes out.

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    • Shallow Seth wrote:

      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote: The Moth Miraculous having a sphere shape instead of an oval shape might just be an oversight.

      Also, kind of off topic but like how Shallow said, the Miraculouses all look activated when a kwami is inhabiting it, either because it doesn't have a owner or because the owner is transformed.

      And whenever a Miraculous gets a new owner, the kwami flies out of it in an aura-like sphere. This happened to Tikki, Plagg and Nooroo. I wonder how Chloe is going to react to Pollen just sticking out of a hair comb?

      I’m pretty sure there was one (leaked, I believe)clip where Chloe opened up the box, and starts freaking out when a golden orb of energy comes out.

      I've seen images of that. It could be fanart.

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    • Son of Nemesis34 wrote:

      Shallow Seth wrote:

      I’m pretty sure there was one (leaked, I believe)clip where Chloe opened up the box, and starts freaking out when a golden orb of energy comes out.

      I've seen images of that. It could be fanart.

      I saw a legit clip But turns out it was just a great edit https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

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    • Maetch wrote:
      I didn't say "knife". I said "dart", like the kind you throw at those circular targets in bars.

      And I never said you said "knife".

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    • Shallow Seth wrote:

      Thearomalady wrote: Hawk Moth's changes its appearance by growing wings, but that's all, where Ladybug and Cat Noir's change colour and gain symbols but keep their shape. According to the book, the Fox Miraculous and the Bee Miraculous, and according to the picture of Carapace, their Miraculouses only change very slightly if at all (Carapace's has a subtle change, but there's no sign of change for the Fox and Bee between their depictions in the book and in the chest).</span>

      The moth miraculous DOES change drastically, the brooch part itself shrinks, leaving a purple orb, you can look it up

      BNN
      NWN
      I direct you to the pictures at right and left for comparison. The brooch is exactly the same size. It just has wings now. At left, the uninhabited one. At right, Nooroo has just gone inside it (hence why it's glowing white; Gabriel starts moving his hand right after that).

      Moth Brooch
      Hawkmoth wife
      I would guess you're talking about the Locket, which does not appear to be the Miraculous. That's an assumption this wiki has been making. We quite literally see the inactive Moth Miraculous held between Gabriel's fingers and it's nowhere near the size of the thing with Mrs Agreste's picture in it. Those two things are very, very obviously different sizes in Gabriel's hand, as you can see from the pictures. Gabriel even lowers his arm after looking at the Miraculous, meaning he had the ability to put it in his pocket. Additionally, the Miraculous is not that large on the silhouette of Hawk Moth, because that locket is not flat. We should be able to see it from Hawk Moth in profile, but we do not. I suspected long before the episode aired that they were different objects, but without the Miraculous and the Locket appearing in the same shot, apparently we can't call it "confirmed" even though, well... we were operating on an assumption in the first place. Unless you're saying jellybeans and chicken eggs are the same size, cuz that's the size difference between those two objects.

      So no, the Moth Miraculous does not change dramatically, I was quite right in my statement.</div>

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    • Thearomalady wrote:

      Shallow Seth wrote:

      Thearomalady wrote: Hawk Moth's changes its appearance by growing wings, but that's all, where Ladybug and Cat Noir's change colour and gain symbols but keep their shape. According to the book, the Fox Miraculous and the Bee Miraculous, and according to the picture of Carapace, their Miraculouses only change very slightly if at all (Carapace's has a subtle change, but there's no sign of change for the Fox and Bee between their depictions in the book and in the chest).</span>

      The moth miraculous DOES change drastically, the brooch part itself shrinks, leaving a purple orb, you can look it up

      BNN
      NWN
      I direct you to the pictures at right and left for comparison. The brooch is exactly the same size. It just has wings now. At left, the uninhabited one. At right, Nooroo has just gone inside it (hence why it's glowing white; Gabriel starts moving his hand right after that).

      Moth Brooch
      Hawkmoth wife
      I would guess you're talking about the Locket, which does not appear to be the Miraculous. That's an assumption this wiki has been making. We quite literally see the inactive Moth Miraculous held between Gabriel's fingers and it's nowhere near the size of the thing with Mrs Agreste's picture in it. Those two things are very, very obviously different sizes in Gabriel's hand, as you can see from the pictures. Gabriel even lowers his arm after looking at the Miraculous, meaning he had the ability to put it in his pocket. Additionally, the Miraculous is not that large on the silhouette of Hawk Moth, because that locket is not flat. We should be able to see it from Hawk Moth in profile, but we do not. I suspected long before the episode aired that they were different objects, but without the Miraculous and the Locket appearing in the same shot, apparently we can't call it "confirmed" even though, well... we were operating on an assumption in the first place. Unless you're saying jellybeans and chicken eggs are the same size, cuz that's the size difference between those two objects.

      So no, the Moth Miraculous does not change dramatically, I was quite right in my statement.</div>

      </div>

      Fair enough, as son of nemesis said, it might have been a small oversight
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    • Shallow Seth wrote:

      Fair enough, as son of nemesis said, it might have been a small oversight

      Hang on I should make a proper post about this.

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