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    My theory for the END? (Ship between Adrien and Marinnete) SEASON 2 - THEORY 1: I think the in SEASON 2 it will be like that: confesses her feelings to Adrien, but he will refuse her cause he is crush to Ladybug, and Adrien like a Cat noir confesses his feelings to Ladybug but she will refuse him cause she is Marinnete and of course she is crush to Adrien. Well then, the Balcon scene will be the one where Cat noir and Marinnette will fall in love, and maybe there will be kisses. 


    THEORY 2- SEASON 2: There will be scenes (like baking a cookies what is confirmed cause it is confirmed from creators the Adrien will learn how to make a cookies with Dupain-Chengs, and i think it will be with marinette and there will be a some "romantic" scene + Adrien will start have suspicion the Marinette is Ladybug. + There will be a more romantic scenes between them but we dont have mutch spoilers to know/corfim how it could be.

    (I THINK THE MORE LIKELY IS THEORY 2)

    SEASON 3 (ENDING THEORY)-Renember that post form twitter (from one of miraculous creators) that it started with umbrella and it will end with umbrella? 

    ENDING THEORY -After defeating Hawk Moth Boss with Master Fu, and after solution miraculous things, they will go outside (and starts raining) Master Fu will have a black Umbrella and he will say something like: Its not over yet, Paris have a lot Crimes and villains to defeat, but now it is calmed down for some time. I need your Miraculous. Ladybug will say: What? But i dont have energy to go hide in some place. Master Fu: Heh, Come to visit me after you will be ready. (He gives  umbrella to Cat Noir and tells: You are partners, arent you?. And he will leave.

    Cat Noir: Well, looks like its over. Good job tho. Ladybug: You will never stop, would you? :-) Cat noir: Ladybug, look...i, i dont have energy to hide in some place to transform back, Ladybug: Me too..... Cat noir: Well, we could close our eyes and just leave. Ladybug: Well, its over now, so does it matter? Plus, i think i maybe want to know who is my Partner. Cat noir: Hh, i dont know....., there you are (gives her that umbrella, like, he stretches out his hand like in that Umbrella scene from first Season) Beep beep, Ladybug and Cat noir are transformed back, and...you know what will happen after that, oh sorry i didnt notice this is like fan fiction, sorry for long words. (Of course Hawk Moth is Adriens dad, and after defeating his boss they will finally "reconciled together", also i think there will have some role Adriens Mother and at the End they will be like a one big Happy Family (But i am not sure), but its a kidshow, and kidshow must have a good endings right?


    Well theese are my Theories, and it is based on spoilers what are 100% True. Do not expect revealing their identities before ending at Season 3. 

    But hey what is that big reveal what creators talking about? (Post: Season 2 big reveal comming!)  Well yeah its a revealing identity, but not a Cat Noir and Ladybug, its Hawkh Moth (Its a true Spoiler, cause one of Miraculous Creators wrote the Hawk Moth will show his human form at the end of the Season 2).

    What do you think? (Sorry for my english)

    THEESE THEORIES ARE BASED ON 100% TRUE SPOILERS/INFORMATIONS

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    • VERY NICE THEORIES! I especially like the third one. I kinda have a theory of my own of what might happen:

      At night,Ladybug and Cat Noir are watching over Paris from the top of Eiffel Tower. Cat Noir:I'm glad Paris is safe once again. But we might get another villain tomorrow. Ladybug:Yeah, we never know what Hawk Moth is planning. However, I'm sure one day, somehow,we'll get him together. Cat Noir(smiles): I'm glad to have you as my partner-boss,m'lady. Ladybug(smiles and blushes):Awww,thanks,kitty. You are awesome,too,even though your puns are the worst. Cat Noir laughs. They both then kiss. Somewhere in a shadow Fox Sournois and Queen Bee hide. Queen bee(sheds a tear on joy):It's so beautiful. Fox Sournois(smiles)These two are SO truly made for each other.

      But what do you think?

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    • Well this sounds more like a cute FanFiction than a theory, but my theory is based on 100% true spoilers. Moreover, if you will find every spoiler what creators of Ladybug published, you will see that My theory make a sense. I especially like the second one.

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    • Well guys, what do you think about my theories? You can also write yours, but it must be based on 100% True spoilers, NO FANFICTIONS

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    • There isn't any way that all the known spoilers for Season 2 and Season 3 are going to reveal what the ending. Theories, based off of sure or not, can come off as fanfiction, but it doesn't make them any less possibility. The crew knows how huge the finale of this three season arc will be, and they wouldn't have released enough, if any, spoilers related to it yet, as far as we currently know. Predictions aren't fanfictions in this case.

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    • I think to Season 2 finale will darker than Volpina (episode).

      Also Season 3 will end as a Faux Finale (with a Sequel Hook).

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    • Dw98vatar  I just hope the next seasons will be better than first. And yeah, maybe youre right. What we can be 100% sure is it will be more romantic. 

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    • I think for the balcony pic they showed us, I saw that Marinette was herself not ladybug in front of Cat Noir. Cat Noir might rather be helping Marinette out or just found out who ladybug is

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    • LylahLovesGames wrote:
      I think for the balcony pic they showed us, I saw that Marinette was herself not ladybug in front of Cat Noir. Cat Noir might rather be helping Marinette out or just found out who ladybug is

      Someone asked one of the writers if is that balcony scene about something serious or its just a meeting. And he said: Serious. 

      Maybe some fanfictions come true ;-).

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    • I think all the romance will come right before the final battle, and after the battle, all of the heroes know each other's identities, and they're hanging out on a rooftop looking at the Eiffel Tower.

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    • HBK21 wrote:
      I think all the romance will come right before the final battle, and after the battle, all of the heroes know each other's identities, and they're hanging out on a rooftop looking at the Eiffel Tower.


      That is one of most probable theory.

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    • Interesting theories. I was thinking not that long ago that I wouldn't be surprised if their crushes were flipped for some time before their identities get revealed.

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    • Theory 1

      I think the balcony scence might happen after Lb and CN were fighting a villan, and LB didn't get away in time, and she transforms back in front of CN. CN is shocked, and they go to the balcony where they talk, Adrien thinking, "Its been Marrinett the whole time. I'm in love with Marrinett." He wants to keep his identity a secret so he stays as CN. Marinett later admits her love to Adrien who relises he loves her, but she dosnt know that. He loves Marinett, who loves Adrien, who is CN. After figuring that out he takes Marinett/ LB somwhere after fighting a villin or just meeting up, and detransforms, leaving her to relise she really dose love CN after all. Right then, a villan breaks lose, and LB somhow gets badly indured because she is still dumb founded, and she trasformes back to Marinett, releasing Tikki. CN stops the baddie, and finds Tikki who shows CN to Master Ku who heals her. Tikki and Plagg meet, and become friends. Cn and LB kiss, and LB thanks CN for saving her life. 

      Theory 2

      Mr. Agrest/ Hawk Moth, finds out that his son is Cn, and becomes weak and vulnerable. Cn and LB find his and (temporarily) "stop" him. Adrien confronts his after finding out his dad is Hawk Moth.

      These are my theorys. Tell me what you think! :) So excited for the new season!!! <3

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    • Take 3... (this is my third time writing this... hopefully you got to read it...)

      Okay... my theory isnt the end though... 

      The identity reveal is in season 2, right? So i think it would probably go like this... in one of the episodes in season 2, Marinette gets akumatize (yeah.. thats a chance but hard cuz Marinette is a postive person) and the miraculouses (not sure if bee and fox is going to exist in this episode) have to stop her without Ladybug. At one point, they would probably thought something like: Where is Ladybug? We cant do this without her! (probably not "we cant do this without her") but she never shows up.. then they had their suspicions about Marinette being Ladybug and whatnot...

      Somehow, they manage to defeat her and bla... bla... bla... Ladybug came to de-evilize the akuma and bam! Day saved. At this point... Cat Noir too has his suspicions and figured it out...? Somehow and then it leads to the balcony scene where Cat Noir and Marinette are... he asks her about Marinette being Ladybug and Marinette freaks out but answer truthfully... that yes, she is Ladybug

      I think.. Cat Noir shows his Adrien side a bit (being guilty that he knows about Marinette but she doesnt of him being Adrien) and tells her his identity... which then leads to the awkward moment everytime they met at school or anywhere considering that Cat Noir likes Ladybug and Marinette likes Adrien.. though I hope not while fighting akumatize villain or thats not going to end good... I dont think the awkward moment will last long though... idk...

      Not sure about at this point whether Cat Noir had told Ladybug that he loves her and Marinette had told Adrien the same but got rejected... So... yeah... thats my theory..

      Quite long isnt it? But this is 100% from spoilers... and from what I can see in the series or learn from the characters

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    • Marinette admitting her love for Adrien, that's- heh- not happening unless she doesn't know if she'll survive something. Adrien and Marinette sorta kinda romance, I LIKE IT! The umbrella thing may be true, but there's going to be more characters introduced, and Miraculous is being renewed for two more seasons and possibly more.

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    • Sorry this is long.

      I can definitely see the idea that Marinette is in trouble and Tikki has to take Chat Noir and Plagg to Master Ku. Although I feel it would be because Marinette is akumatized, before transforming into Ladybug, and the heroes need to ask Ku for a way to purify her without the Ladybug powers to do it, since Chat Noir is all bad luck magic. This would lead to the balcony scene as a follow up during the aftermath where Chat cheers her up how everything ended up ok, even if he knows her identity now. See below*.

      I've always liked the idea of bringing the umbrella back, be it for the superhero or civilian identities.

      I would withhold any theories on how Queen Bee or Volpina interact with their reveals (watching them kiss etc) until after A) we know how they interact with the main heroic duo and B) if they find out their identities before the pair themselves.


      Assuming the reveal follows the suggested Marinette times out early and while shocked Adrien doesn't reveal himself yet >> balcony scene or equivalent:

      Marinette is kicking herself for not paying better attention to her powers, either because poor Lucky Charm timing or close call injury. Perhaps her earrings got stolen/lost or Tikki got kidnapped. Chat Noir probably decides to withhold his identity for a moment due to his own shock. And from seeing Ladybug/Marinette flustered and down (talking in circles about her mistakes, repeating herself into a loop) he doesn't reveal himself yet to avoid giving her extra stress. As such, he takes her home. Here, he takes the time to renew her self confidence at the very least. They discuss even if he knows, he will still trust her and she should trust him to still be her loyal partner. If she was revealed because her earrings/Tikki are gone/stolen, they discuss the next step in looking for them.

      I feel this would work because it mimics that of Chat's role in Origins Part 2, boosting Marinette's confidence in being a superhero enough she can stop Stoneheart.

      While he could reveal himself at the time, I doubt it. I see him making the decision one round of surprises is enough for a day, and he'll reveal himself at the right time. (multiple episode drama woo) He would instead admit she's not that far away from him as a civilian, and add a light hearted Cat-flirts-with-Ladybug or something for comedic relief because tension break and girls show.

      While I agree its unlikely for Marinette admittting her love for Adrien, I think it would be likely she admits she can't fall for Chat Noir because there is an important boy in her life who already captured her heart. Doesn't mean she can't say one too many sentences hinting who the boy is, allowing Chat Noir to piece it together and follow up with something as Adrien later. Maybe calling her one of Chat's nicknames for Ladybug. Maybe transforming back in front of her later.

      With a couple "did you just do?!" moments from both Tikki and Plagg with the respective heroes thrown in at various moments.

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    • WOW!!! All of ur posts are sooo interesting to read!!! I hope one of them's real!! Can't wait!!!!!

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    • The vibe I got from the balcony sketch was that both Chat and Marinette were discussing their "seperate" relationship troubles without mentioning the names of who they like. Where they go from there, I don't know, and refuse to speculate on.

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    • I would like to think that during the balcony scene, Marinette unknowingly admits her crush for Adrien, thinking that it won't matter if she name drops because she's talking to a "superhero" (Chat Noir), and probably momentarily forgets that he's a person outside of his costume too.

      But the theories I don't really see happening are either of them timing out too quickly or any kind of identity reveal happening. They both beep when they're timing out, and they're superheroes so they can move quickly for crying out loud. Ladybug's made narrow escapes before so if anyone's going to be the one to time out it will probably be Chat. Ladybug's never that careless, but Chat has fallen into villanous traps multiple times and even insisted that it's okay for them to reveal their identities.

      As for serious injury cases, I highly doubt that's appropriate for a show like this. It's aimed at kids so the worst that could happen was someone getting knocked out. Even then, the other hero would need to continue fighting the akuma and wouldn't have time to tend to whoever got knocked out, and you can't finish the fight without Ladybug de-evilizing it. It's just not probable that some serious injury could cause an identity reveal. I'm not saying a serious injury couldn't happen at all and create suspense and tension for whether or not they're going to make it in time, but it's not very likely that's how it would happen.

      All in all, I'm pretty confident an identity reveal wouldn't be the result of an accident. Ladybug's too careful, and Chat respects her too much to take advantage of an opportunity to see her. He had the chance to peek through the door as she transformed in the hotel, but he didn't take it. And Ladybug was the one who insisted they keep their identities secret, so she won't be taking advantage of an opportunity to see him anytime soon either. If anyone discovers anyone's true identity, it will be intentional.

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    • Ughhhh!  I kinda hate you guys (and myself) right now.  I don't like reading specific guesses like "This is what should happen" and then you go into details, but I can't stop reading cause your ideas are so interesting!  Anyway, what I think what should happen is one of them finds out in season 2 (likely Chat) and then it's really awkward for them for the rest of the season and then in a later season the other finds out and it gets super-duper awkward and then it ends.  I haven't really thought about the two new miraculous holders so sorry.  Also, I've seen simalar ideas from other people so please dont be like "Hey! That's my idea!" Thank you. Arigato. Gracias.

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    • OwnMiraculousTales wrote:

      SEASON 3 (ENDING THEORY)-Remember that post form twitter (from one of miraculous creators) that it started with umbrella and it will end with umbrella? 

      I was going to ask what you meant by started with an umbrella and then I remembered that Adrien hands Marinette an umbrella during Origins part 2 as I was writing and I thought itwas kinda funny. I also thought that this might be helpful to anyone else who forgot.

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    • Given what we know, I think Season 2 will end with Hawkmoth momentarily getting his hands on the miraculouses and getting his secret wish of bringing back Mrs. Agreste. Volpina (Alya) and Queen Bee work with Marinette and Adrien to stop him, thinking he's using the miraculous to rule the world. They stop him, but he manages to get away. The next morning, Mrs. Agreste suddenly reappears at the door of the Agreste Manor and has a heartfelt reunionn with her family. It turns out, however, that when the miraculous brought Mrs. Agreste back it made her evil, and she reclaims her Peacock Miraculous and becomes Madame Peacock (Le Paon in the French version; I doubt they'll use that name in the English dub).

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    • This is how I think it will end. At the end of Season 2, EP 26 I think that Marinette and Adrien won't have enough time to run off after fighting crime as Chat and Ladybug, but when they try to, one of them looks back and sees the other one's identity, then tells them to stop or wait. The other one turns around and that's when the episode ends, with the two being surprised and the camera zooming out, showing their expressions side on. Then the 1st episode of Season 3 is when they will continue on from where they left. Starting off with Marinette saying 'ADRIEN?!' and Adrien saying 'M-Marinette?!'. Of course, this won't happen in public, from what I would think! I think it would have to happen in the hotel or... hmm.. maybe Mari's house? Honestly, *SPOILER INCOMING!!!* you know the balcony scene? With Mari and Chat? I think that's a part in the last episode or the second last episode, where Mari falls in love with Chat, and possibly kisses and hugs!! Chat could possibly spend time talking to Mari in the balcony scene :>.

      -coughs- got carried away oops -cough- carrying on from s3 ep1 (no spoilers here, just my theory) Mari will be so embarrassed for rejecting 'Chat' when he tried kissing her many times and flirting with her, whilst Adrien is still trying to render what happened, she will say 'you're disappointed it was me, aren't you?' and she will just stand there with her hand holding her other arm looking at the ground, whilst Adrien walks over to her and says 'Marinette, I'm not disappointed it was you, you're Ladybug with or without the mask.' Mari looks up and smiles and hugs him.

      That's my theory so far, haha.

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    • I think that the balcony scene will be fromThe Befana because the pattern I picked up from the episodes were Adrienette,LadyNoir then MariChat and also from the spoilers I just saw.

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    • ThatOneFan420 wrote:
      I think that the balcony scene will be fromThe Befana because the pattern I picked up from the episodes were Adrienette,LadyNoir then MariChat and also from the spoilers I just saw.

      It's possible. Well, we shall see at 30th. October :-). 

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    • OwnMiraculousTales wrote:

      ThatOneFan420 wrote:
      I think that the balcony scene will be fromThe Befana because the pattern I picked up from the episodes were Adrienette,LadyNoir then MariChat and also from the spoilers I just saw.

      It's possible. Well, we shall see at 30th. October :-). 

      Oof, tomorrow! I'm so excited :> so pumped to see Marichat;

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    • we know that we're going to have la paon's grand entrace in the seasons finale. so my guess is that we're going to learn about la peon,and additionally HMs backstory (what is his plan, how did he got the miraculous,..)  and also about mrs. agreste whereabouts. since la paon his HM's boss, i think she is the one responsible for the book and the miraculous? this would be more or less the same formula from the season 1 ending. new important information and a cliffhanger, a nice fundament for season 3.

      i don't think we're going to have the freat reveal in s2 tbh. it would be too soon, especially when they plan to have 6 seasons.

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    • Some where I read that they will reveal there masks in s2 in episode 25/26

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    • Ilikepie4 wrote: Some where I read that they will reveal there masks in s2 in episode 25/26

      I'd like to know where you got this information from! But as the producers of Miraculous are planning to put out 5 or 6 seasons, unfortunately I don't believe they will reveal their identities in season 2. Season 3 seems a lot more reasonable, if their identities are revealed in season 4, it would be too much of a wait, if in season 2, it would be too early, so I think season 3 is where their identities will be revealed :> it seems likely.

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    • I think Season 6 is the most reasonable because there are 6 Seasons and the whole show is about defeating Hawk Moth, finding the secret of the Miraculous and Adrien/Chat Noir and Mari/Ladybug being a couple and all, therefore season 6 is most likely

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    • DespairBears wrote: I think Season 6 is the most reasonable because there are 6 Seasons and the whole show is about defeating Hawk Moth, finding the secret of the Miraculous and Adrien/Chat Noir and Mari/Ladybug being a couple and all, therefore season 6 is most likely

      Fortunately, it is not likely that their identities will be revealed in season 6. That is very far and all of the fans will get very very impatient. The producers know that the fandom wants the identies to be revealed. They would not tease us for 6 seasons. All the spoilers and hints point towards their identies being revealed in season 3 or 2. Season 6 is just too far. Most people are more focused on their identies rather than them beating Hawkmoth, the producers know this, so it's very likely their identies are going to be revealed in season 3 or 2.

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    • OK. I just have to mention this. Thomas Astruc I believe says that the second last episode of season 2 ( SPOILER!!!! ) will be a battle like no other. What does that mean? That means something dramatic. That means something big. That possibly means.. yes... their identities being revealed! I believe, that they will fight Adriens mum who was akumtised. At the end of the episode, (SPOILER!!!) Queen Bee and Vulpina(? Alya) have time to run away, but Ladybug and Chat Noir don’t. So, they try sprinting away bt don’t make it, one another looks at eachother and sees eachother. And bam. The big reveal. And then the last episode is continuing on from what was left on the second last episode.

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    • Crylicsarq wrote:

      DespairBears wrote: I think Season 6 is the most reasonable because there are 6 Seasons and the whole show is about defeating Hawk Moth, finding the secret of the Miraculous and Adrien/Chat Noir and Mari/Ladybug being a couple and all, therefore season 6 is most likely

      Fortunately, it is not likely that their identities will be revealed in season 6. That is very far and all of the fans will get very very impatient. The producers know that the fandom wants the identies to be revealed. They would not tease us for 6 seasons. All the spoilers and hints point towards their identies being revealed in season 3 or 2. Season 6 is just too far. Most people are more focused on their identies rather than them beating Hawkmoth, the producers know this, so it's very likely their identies are going to be revealed in season 3 or 2.

      I see where your going with this, so how about this identites are revealed in Season 5 and then they defeat Le Peon in Season 6 and they defeat Hawk Moth in Season 3.

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    • i don't think theory can be named spoiler...

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    • DespairBears wrote:
      I think Season 6 is the most reasonable because there are 6 Seasons and the whole show is about defeating Hawk Moth, finding the secret of the Miraculous and Adrien/Chat Noir and Mari/Ladybug being a couple and all, therefore season 6 is most likely

      The series is only guaranteed to be through Season 3 unless they get enough viewings to get a secured contract for seasons 4-6. The reveal will come in either late in Season 2 or within Season 3.

      Generally speaking, I don't see much more than normal teasing like we've had in Season 2 so far. So I doubt the reveal will be the season 2 episode 13 mid season climax. As such, I think that's when Volpina will make an appearance, either majorly or as a cameo, and then she'll return again during the finale. She would be an excellent canditate to help force a reveal at some point since she interacted with all 4 identities of the main duo heavily. If nothing else, Lila's set up for a comeback at some point with added tension. That's not even counting if she'll get interactions with Kagami or Luka (not yet introduced) or using them as inspiration for new lies.

      However a thing to keep in mind as we go forward, we have more than one identity question to be answered. When will the super duo learn of each other's identities? When will the new miraculous heroes learn of them? Will the public eventually learn the identities of their heroes? And what happens after each situation?

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    • MorningRaven wrote:
      DespairBears wrote:
      I think Season 6 is the most reasonable because there are 6 Seasons and the whole show is about defeating Hawk Moth, finding the secret of the Miraculous and Adrien/Chat Noir and Mari/Ladybug being a couple and all, therefore season 6 is most likely
      The series is only guaranteed to be through Season 3 unless they get enough viewings to get a secured contract for seasons 4-6. The reveal will come in either late in Season 2 or within Season 3.

      Generally speaking, I don't see much more than normal teasing like we've had in Season 2 so far. So I doubt the reveal will be the season 2 episode 13 mid season climax. As such, I think that's when Volpina will make an appearance, either majorly or as a cameo, and then she'll return again during the finale. She would be an excellent canditate to help force a reveal at some point since she interacted with all 4 identities of the main duo heavily. If nothing else, Lila's set up for a comeback at some point with added tension. That's not even counting if she'll get interactions with Kagami or Luka (not yet introduced) or using them as inspiration for new lies.

      However a thing to keep in mind as we go forward, we have more than one identity question to be answered. When will the super duo learn of each other's identities? When will the new miraculous heroes learn of them? Will the public eventually learn the identities of their heroes? And what happens after each situation?

      Got me thinking that has.

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    • Lol this thread is style active, I am surprised :D

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    • I truly believe that the reveal will happen at the end of season 2 based on what happened in Dark Howl. WARNING!! SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN DARK HOWL!!! The 'reveal' obviously wasnt what anyone was expecting or wanting as marinette and adrien still dont know who the other is, but this scene does hint at alot of potential scenes in future episodes, foreshadowing.



      First is the obvious trust these two have in eachother as partners. Second is the kwamis know...



      Regardless if Tikki know who Chat was before this episode or not, it is canon that BOTH kwamis know who LB and CN are know. Now Thomas said that season 2 isnt exactly in any spacific order so we might not see any recent follow up episodes address or hint at the kwamis knowledge, but definately something the writers are going to bring back at some point...jusy might not be as soon as some people are thinking/hoping



      Finally, this 'reveal' scene is hinting at an actual reveal, most likely before season 2 ends. now there are also a few other things that are leading me to believe this. The akumas are getting more challenging, or at least a few are...this is the second time in just this season that LB and CN were so close to actually losing their miraculous. heck ladybug was losing her transformation in the end of the episode! Another leading factor to the reveal being this season is there trust in eachother. LB and CN are becoming a better team, as they should be over time, and with the current trust they have in eachother now i can see them eventually being comfortable with revealing their identities to eachother willingly.



      As for what the antisipated balcony scene is about, i think what FrenchWaffle1 commented earlier is closer as to what will happen, they will have a more serious talk about thier love interest. Although i kind of hope its during the Troublemaker episode, since Marinettes crush was basically brodcast to all of paris on live TV (with Adrien watching) and most people if not everyone in paris knows of CN love for Ladybug. i thing it would be very ironic to hear the two talk about there crush with their crush while being aware Marinette/Chat Noir likes me.



      Welp, thats my two cents...OH here is a link(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GQCS2sKiS4) to the video where they read some of the script of troublemaker!(Thats how a knew about the broadcast crush on live TV).

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    • I think that for the overall ending, it will be simple. Like it was said, it started with an umbrella, it'll end with an umbrella, I think the ending will be:

      After they defeat Hawkmoth, they are able to get away quick enough to not be seen, but the following day, they put back their earrings and ring for another time and Marinette and Adrien are at the top of the stairs at school again and Adrien will be like: "So, it's been all over the news." And he's holding an umbrella and he's close enough to have Marinette underneath the umbrella. "Yeah. Do you really think it's all over?" Marinette would be still so shaken from defeating Hawkmoth that she wouldn't care that she was talking to Adrien. "The akumas or Ladybug and Chat Noir's time in Paris?" Marinette would look at Adrien and he'd be disappointed, looking at the road. "No, I think that they will stay in Paris." And he'd look at her and be like: "How do you know?" And Marinette would look at the road and see the old guy and the guy would nod. "Because I'm Ladybug." And his eyes would widen and she'd look back and she wouldn't wait for his response. She'd just try to kiss him, but hit her head on the umbrella, causing it to close on them. They'd laugh and he'd open the umbrella before he'd get serious and be like: "I'm Chat Noir." And then they'd kiss and the camera would pan up to the sky and say some deep quote about good and bad or superheroes, or something sappy like that.

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    • I'm pretty sure it will end with Adrien moving out of Paris after his dad get arrested as Hawk Moth, as he couldn't have a normal life, and even less stay with his friends after everything his dad did, and if Le Paon is his mom, double worse. He would be under protection with a new identity, name and everything else, probably. But I don't think he could be with anyone after that for a long time, just because he would feel guilt about everything. And no one could follow or know where he would go. A bit realistic here.

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    • My theory is Adriens will get Akumaize.

      Ladybug just fight Akuma Adrien without cat Noir.

      Adrien secret identity is out first.

      I think that is a weird episode.

      What with Marinette get Akumaize and who will replace ladybug?

      With Marinette get Akumaize and that mean hawk moth win.

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    • Yuma10000 wrote:
      My theory is Adriens will get Akumaize.

      Ladybug just fight Akuma Adrien without cat Noir.

      Adrien secret identity is out first.

      I think that is a weird episode.

      What with Marinette get Akumaize and who will replace ladybug?

      With Marinette get Akumaize and that mean hawk moth win.

      I doubt that.

      Adrien is a very kind person and I doubt that Hawk Moth would akumatize him, not even for himself not revealing his identity. Also if Mari did get akumatized Carapace, Rena Rouge and Queen Bee would be on the case and help out and fight beside Chat Noir.

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    • I stan for these theories

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    • DespairBears wrote:
      Yuma10000 wrote:
      My theory is Adriens will get Akumaize.

      Ladybug just fight Akuma Adrien without cat Noir.

      Adrien secret identity is out first.

      I think that is a weird episode.

      What with Marinette get Akumaize and who will replace ladybug?

      With Marinette get Akumaize and that mean hawk moth win.

      I doubt that.

      Adrien is a very kind person and I doubt that Hawk Moth would akumatize him, not even for himself not revealing his identity. Also if Mari did get akumatized Carapace, Rena Rouge and Queen Bee would be on the case and help out and fight beside Chat Noir.

      'There's also the fact that one of the creators said that Adrien is used to dissappointment, and that's why he doesn't get akumaztied.

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    • I think that Marinette could be akumatized instead. I mean, she is very positive. always help to other and putting them before herself. And one day she will pay for it. I mean, it's one of the most positive (and creators said that hard to akumatize) character in the show! So...

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      • But before she gets akumatized, somehow she must put off (or lost) her Miraculous. 
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    • OwnMiraculousTales wrote:
      I think that Marinette could be akumatized instead. I mean, she is very positive. always help to other and putting them before herself. And one day she will pay for it. I mean, it's one of the most positive (and creators said that hard to akumatize) character in the show! So...

      Something says that either Lila is involved or its about Adrien.

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    • DespairBears wrote:
      OwnMiraculousTales wrote:
      I think that Marinette could be akumatized instead. I mean, she is very positive. always help to other and putting them before herself. And one day she will pay for it. I mean, it's one of the most positive (and creators said that hard to akumatize) character in the show! So...
      Something says that either Lila is involved or its about Adrien.

      That would make sense. Hey, do you remember this sentence from the song? -: The Power of love is always so strong. 

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    • The real and maybe the only moment when Marintte's get angry/sad/desperate would be after she will confess her love to Adrien and she will be rejected / Or the second theory is that Adrien could end up with somebody else (Kagami, I think) and Marinette just couldn't stand that. 

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    • OwnMiraculousTales wrote:
      DespairBears wrote:
      OwnMiraculousTales wrote:
      I think that Marinette could be akumatized instead. I mean, she is very positive. always help to other and putting them before herself. And one day she will pay for it. I mean, it's one of the most positive (and creators said that hard to akumatize) character in the show! So...
      Something says that either Lila is involved or its about Adrien.
      That would make sense. Hey, do you remember this sentence from the song? -: The Power of love is always so strong. 

      Indeed.

      If it goes the right way then Ladybug will be a lot more stronger, however if Adrien refuses she might be so depressed that she forgets who she is and why she fights as Ladybug. So love is indeed strong but it can be used for bad as well as for good.

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    • DespairBears wrote:
      OwnMiraculousTales wrote:
      DespairBears wrote:
      OwnMiraculousTales wrote:
      I think that Marinette could be akumatized instead. I mean, she is very positive. always help to other and putting them before herself. And one day she will pay for it. I mean, it's one of the most positive (and creators said that hard to akumatize) character in the show! So...
      Something says that either Lila is involved or its about Adrien.
      That would make sense. Hey, do you remember this sentence from the song? -: The Power of love is always so strong. 
      Indeed.

      If it goes the right way then Ladybug will be a lot more stronger, however if Adrien refuses she might be so depressed that she forgets who she is and why she fights as Ladybug. So love is indeed strong but it can be used for bad as well as for good.

      Exactly.

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    • It's very likely that Marinette and Adrien will end up together. We really need some sweet and truthful romance so these two getting together will just make me happy forever. Fingers crossed for them to become one day a Canon married couple.

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    • ShinoharaHiroko wrote:
      It's very likely that Marinette and Adrien will end up together. We really need some sweet and truthful romance so these two getting together will just make me happy forever. Fingers crossed for them to become one day a Canon married couple.

      It has been confirmed that at some part of the series, Mari and Adrien will be a couple.

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    • DespairBears wrote:
      ShinoharaHiroko wrote:
      It's very likely that Marinette and Adrien will end up together. We really need some sweet and truthful romance so these two getting together will just make me happy forever. Fingers crossed for them to become one day a Canon married couple.
      It has been confirmed that at some part of the series, Mari and Adrien will be a couple.
      • Seen as couple.
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    • I'm thinking.. what if Cat Noir (Not Adrien) is akumitized? Then as a bad cat noir he uses cataclysm but then runs out of power after the akuma is captured and becomes adrien again? I doubt that would happen, but still, that would be cool!

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    • OwnMiraculousTales wrote:
      DespairBears wrote:
      ShinoharaHiroko wrote:
      It's very likely that Marinette and Adrien will end up together. We really need some sweet and truthful romance so these two getting together will just make me happy forever. Fingers crossed for them to become one day a Canon married couple.
      It has been confirmed that at some part of the series, Mari and Adrien will be a couple.
      • Seen as couple.

      Yeah, and let's pray that they will stay like that till the end of the series, without any dramaaaa

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    • ShinoharaHiroko wrote:
      OwnMiraculousTales wrote:
      DespairBears wrote:
      ShinoharaHiroko wrote:
      It's very likely that Marinette and Adrien will end up together. We really need some sweet and truthful romance so these two getting together will just make me happy forever. Fingers crossed for them to become one day a Canon married couple.
      It has been confirmed that at some part of the series, Mari and Adrien will be a couple.
      • Seen as couple.
      Yeah, and let's pray that they will stay like that till the end of the series, without any dramaaaa

      I just feel that something terribly wrong will happen so there might be some, as you call "Dramaaaa".

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    • ya sure that will defintaly happen   NOT come on we need master fu to allow it to know their identies

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    • Actually the ending of season 2 will be like this. Whatever that picture represents it's up to us.

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    • This is my ending theory for Miraculous Ladybug Season 2. The villain wins and orchestrates 3 plans to take over the world. Starting with Paris. Oh my.

      https://nyancat2006.deviantart.com/art/Horrific-defeat-for-Marinette-715839165

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    • <divclass="quote">DespairBears wrote:
      I think Season 6 is the most reasonable because there are 6 Seasons and the whole show is about defeating Hawk Moth, finding the secret of the Miraculous and Adrien/Chat Noir and Mari/Ladybug being a couple and all, therefore season 6 is most likely</div> I think they will defeat hawkmoth in end of season 3 and then they fight lots of similar villains that lead to a really big, bad villain. The Adrien and Marinette reveal in s4 or 5 and because of the really bad villain and then lots of romance etc. Other miraculous are handed out in s3 and beginning of season 4.

      They are then "empowered" by each other and fight the bad villain with the power of miraculous 

      ) not really based on facts- soz
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    • i have the perefect theory of how season 2 and 3 will end :

      in the final episode of season 3 rena rouge , queen bee ; carapace ; ladybug and catnoir will be fighting both hawkmoth and ( the akumatized villains after they defeat them ) and le paon and somehow hawkmoth will be able to defeat alya ,nino , chloe and he will give their miraculous to le paon and she will somehow will double cross him and kill him and take all miraculous inculuding his and in his final moments adrien will detransform and agreste will somehow will be shoked and sad to discover that the nemy that he will be fighting is his son 

      angered and furious he will give his miraculous to marinette who she combined with her miraculous with adrien's and she will somehow defeat le paon who also did the same with the remainig miraculous

      angered  adrien want to kill her but marinette will stop him but she  dies maybe out of energy and power marinette combining the power of both miraculouses she will revive adrien parents  who will finally  reunite once and for all and live together just like how they were

      in the final scence marinette and adrien will say goodbye to one another who will be travelling with his family to a trip and master fu witness that from a corner and he will say but this is not over and that there are more enemy who will be facing soon

      in the next seasons 4 , 5 and maybe 6

      the next antagonits is a criminal organisation of evil miraculouses holders based on mythical creatues ( centaur ; phoenix ; manticore ; chimera ; dragon ; silkies ; giant squib ; pegasus ; dragon ; werwolf ; griffin ; wyvern ; hippogriff ..... ) that will be intoduced in the upcomings seasons after hawkmoth and le paon defeat and also after the moth miraculouses and the peacok will somehow be destroyed or sealed away or propably better find a new wearer along with the zodiac kwamis  so the evil organisation will want to take over the world or have a peace agenda that will want to establish in their own view by capturing all kwamis and taking their power to create somehow a weapon or revive a beast to help them in their work

      and it will be even better to meet new characters and new kwamis from all around the world ( england ; america ; brazil ; china ; japan ; egypt , morocco ; africa ; australia ) that will also will help marinette and adriene in their mission to save the world

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    • this is poopy

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    • As the old adage says: If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!"

      Please refrain from that kind of comment, just degrading for no reason. If you disagree with a theory, say so, provide reasons, but don't just be negative for no reason.

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    • thank you for defense and care jeanne i appreciate you words so did you like my theory do you think its horrible or not

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    • I was thinking by the end of miraculous all of maranets classmates  will have a miraculous 

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    • The knight of justice wrote:
      thank you for defense and care jeanne i appreciate you words so did you like my theory do you think its horrible or not

      I think the concept is good, but I'm not sure how the logistics would play out.

      So far, we've only seen the Ying/Yang Miraculouses (Ladybug and Cat), the 5 major ones (Turtle, Peacock, Fox, Bee, and Moth) and the twelve Zodiacs (Dragon, Sheep, Rooster, Rat, Tiger, Horse, Ox, ect). I think that if we get other villains, a very likely possibility imo, they might have powers without Miraculouses? As in, another power source? I dunno, just an idea. But this is just a theory, and I have no real idea what could happen.

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    • I'd like to point out that we don't actually know all that much about how akumatized people work, especially if it's akumatized superheroes rather than akumatized supervillians. So far, every akumatized villain (aside from, perhaps Gigantitan) has discarded their civilian identity and remained their akumatized identity during their entire time as said akumatized villain. However, we don't know whether that's always the case. We have no proof that an akumatized villain couldn't revert their appearance to their civilian identity at will, especially if their civilian identity isn't already known. And even if it doesn't work that way for akumatized villains, we know practically nothing about akumatized heroes. Akumatization seems to mirror Miraculous wielding, in that the akumatization is channeled through the item. So in the case of heroes, what if it's possible for them to de-transform and simply keep the akuma at will? Moreover, what if heroes can pass their akumas and/or items on to successors, creating an explanation for non-Miraculous superheroes who existed before Gabriel became Le Papillon? I know this is pretty deeply into the realm of speculation, and I haven't read the apparently controversial Miraculous Adventures Issue 3 so I don't know if it explains how the American supers exist, but it's a thought I've had lately.

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    • I think that Adrian will get akumatized and go with his dad and maybe akumatiza Maranette

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    • I don't think it will work like that because marinet is the only one who can clean the akumas and hawkmoth loves his son to much to akumatize him.

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    • It could be the kind of thing where the akuma originally targets someone else and said person's negative emotions dissipate, leaving Adrien the next target due to (for some reason) a extremely negative mood unusual even for him. At which point Hawk Moth may just go "oh well whatever" and then maybe become suspicious when Chat doesn't show up but Ladybug does. Especially if Adrien akumatized is Chat Blanc, like so many fanfictions and fancomics imagine.

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    • My theory.

      Hawk Moth reveals that he had been in work with Le Paon and that she was the one who told him to send all those powerful villains. Hawk Moth begins the Hawkpocalypse, a two-episode event that starts in the last episode of Season 2 (Hawkpocalypse, Part 1-A New Era- a 35-minute episode) where every citizen of Paris (except the Miraculous team and Master Fu) is turned to akumas and pre-akumatized people are akumatized back to their forms (e.g. Stoneheart, Princess Fragrance, etc.)

      Master Fu is revealed to have the 20th and last Miraculous, the Lion Miraculous. He is transformed into a lion-themed superhero, Lionoeur. The six of them storm Hawk Moth’s lair, and they overwhelm him. Suddenly, Queen Bee senses something and uses her trompo to push Ladybug out of the way just as Le Paon throws one of her razor–sharp feathers at Ladybug. Le Paon is discovered, and the episode ends as she does a maniacal evil laugh.

      Hawkpocalypse, Part 2-The Heroes’ Day.(This would be an hour long episode)

      The episode picks up from where it left off with Le Paon laughing. Hawk Moth calls all his minions to attack, and his minions overwhelm our six heroes and heroines. After a stunning battle, Ladybug and Cat Noir are left to deal with Hawk Moth and Le Paon. Le Paon takes Ladybug, while Adrien is left to beat his father. After some melee, they begin cane-fighting. The screen switches to Ladybug and her evil-as-death rival, Ladybug is losing slightly. Then the screen changes to the four fighting heroes. Carapace, Queen Bee, Rena Rouge and Lionoeur are fighting the akumatized villains. They do not dare use their special powers, lest Hawk Moth know their identities. In desperation, Chloe swarms, and overwhelms her part of the villains. It beeps (her Miraculous) and the others form a circle around her as she destransforms, and transforms. She joins the battle and them easily then defeats every supervillain. They then want to join the duels, but are held back by our experienced hero, Rena Rouge. Then Ladybug destroys Le Paon, while Cat Noir takes Hawk Moth’s Miraculous and Ladybug takes Peacock’s Miraculous. Nathalie and Gabriel are arrested, and the two Miraculouses are given to Lionoeur.

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    • My theories are always long.

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    • Ladyblogger123456 wrote:
      My theory.

      Hawk Moth reveals that he had been in work with Le Paon and that she was the one who told him to send all those powerful villains. Hawk Moth begins the Hawkpocalypse, a two-episode event that starts in the last episode of Season 2 (Hawkpocalypse, Part 1-A New Era- a 35-minute episode) where every citizen of Paris (except the Miraculous team and Master Fu) is turned to akumas and pre-akumatized people are akumatized back to their forms (e.g. Stoneheart, Princess Fragrance, etc.)

      Master Fu is revealed to have the 20th and last Miraculous, the Lion Miraculous. He is transformed into a lion-themed superhero, Lionoeur. The six of them storm Hawk Moth’s lair, and they overwhelm him. Suddenly, Queen Bee senses something and uses her trompo to push Ladybug out of the way just as Le Paon throws one of her razor–sharp feathers at Ladybug. Le Paon is discovered, and the episode ends as she does a maniacal evil laugh.

      Hawkpocalypse, Part 2-The Heroes’ Day.(This would be an hour long episode)

      The episode picks up from where it left off with Le Paon laughing. Hawk Moth calls all his minions to attack, and his minions overwhelm our six heroes and heroines. After a stunning battle, Ladybug and Cat Noir are left to deal with Hawk Moth and Le Paon. Le Paon takes Ladybug, while Adrien is left to beat his father. After some melee, they begin cane-fighting. The screen switches to Ladybug and her evil-as-death rival, Ladybug is losing slightly. Then the screen changes to the four fighting heroes. Carapace, Queen Bee, Rena Rouge and Lionoeur are fighting the akumatized villains. They do not dare use their special powers, lest Hawk Moth know their identities. In desperation, Chloe swarms, and overwhelms her part of the villains. It beeps (her Miraculous) and the others form a circle around her as she destransforms, and transforms. She joins the battle and them easily then defeats every supervillain. They then want to join the duels, but are held back by our experienced hero, Rena Rouge. Then Ladybug destroys Le Paon, while Cat Noir takes Hawk Moth’s Miraculous and Ladybug takes Peacock’s Miraculous. Nathalie and Gabriel are arrested, and the two Miraculouses are given to Lionoeur.

      I have a version on Deviantart. Here it is: 

      https://nyancat2006.deviantart.com/art/Horrific-defeat-for-Marinette-715839165

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    • (Rude comments omitted) Natemare2006 wrote:

      I have a version on Deviantart. Here it is: 

      https://nyancat2006.deviantart.com/art/Horrific-defeat-for-Marinette-715839165

      You're entitled to your opinion, but being mean like that is unnecessary, rude, and against the wiki's kindness policy. If you continue such comments you may be banned.

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    • Jeanne68 wrote:

      (Rude comments omitted) Natemare2006 wrote:

      I have a version on Deviantart. Here it is: 

      https://nyancat2006.deviantart.com/art/Horrific-defeat-for-Marinette-715839165

      You're entitled to your opinion, but being mean like that is unnecessary, rude, and against the wiki's kindness policy. If you continue such comments you may be banned.

      There's also the fact that the "Horrific defeat" concept is very much against the tone and style of the show, especially given the fact that the show is nominally written for younger children. I seriously doubt the show will ever stoop to the depths of attempting to show realistic suicidal moments. Not to mention that the show ending on a total loss will cause a lot of uproar from the general fandom and probably ruin Zagtoon's and Astruc's reputations due to such an ending being inappropriate for a children's show. If ML were a show oriented completely towards adults, a dark villain victory ending could be fine, but as it is, ML should definitely not end in an evil victory.

      While the "Horrific defeat" concept is fine for a fanfic, I do not think it is appropriate as a theory for the actual end of the show, nor is it any better than Ladyblogger123456's idea. In fact, Ladyblogger's concept is much more appropriate to the tone and genre of the show than the "Horrific defeat" concept is.

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    • RYCBAndRemember wrote:
      Jeanne68 wrote:

      (Rude comments omitted) Natemare2006 wrote:

      I have a version on Deviantart. Here it is: 

      https://nyancat2006.deviantart.com/art/Horrific-defeat-for-Marinette-715839165

      You're entitled to your opinion, but being mean like that is unnecessary, rude, and against the wiki's kindness policy. If you continue such comments you may be banned.
      There's also the fact that the "Horrific defeat" concept is very much against the tone and style of the show, especially given the fact that the show is nominally written for younger children. I seriously doubt the show will ever stoop to the depths of attempting to show realistic suicidal moments. Not to mention that the show ending on a total loss will cause a lot of uproar from the general fandom and probably ruin Zagtoon's and Astruc's reputations due to such an ending being inappropriate for a children's show. If ML were a show oriented completely towards adults, a dark villain victory ending could be fine, but as it is, ML should definitely not end in an evil victory.

      While the "Horrific defeat" concept is fine for a fanfic, I do not think it is appropriate as a theory for the actual end of the show, nor is it any better than Ladyblogger123456's idea. In fact, Ladyblogger's concept is much more appropriate to the tone and genre of the show than the "Horrific defeat" concept is.

      Thanks a lot RYCBAndRemember(I'm not sarcastic)

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    • It's  just my opinion but i doubt that the creators of miraculous will let cat noir or ladybug or another miraculous hero get akumatize i don't think that's how they work with the show i think that it's the usual good versus evil where good always wins and this show is ment for a younger audience so they might not included overwhelming  problems.

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    • THE love will come out and she will be ashamed for shooting cat noir down

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    • Dragon fan 85 wrote:
      It's  just my opinion but i doubt that the creators of miraculous will let cat noir or ladybug or another miraculous hero get akumatize i don't think that's how they work with the show i think that it's the usual good versus evil where good always wins and this show is ment for a younger audience so they might not included overwhelming  problems.

      Four of the seven currently known Miraculous wielders have been akumatized already: Gabriel Agreste became the Collector, Alya Cesaire became Lady Wifi, Nino Lahiffe became Bubbler, and Chloe Bourgeois became Antibug. I don't think they'd have them become permanently akumatized, but I do think it's possible for a Miraculous wielder in Miraculous form to be akumatized.

      The only one whom it would be dangerous for the showwriters to akumatize would be Marinette Dupain-Chang. Since Ladybug is the only currently known akuma purifier, the writers would have to be very careful with akumatizing Marinette/Ladybug before the reveal (unless it is used for the reveal). I could easily see Adrien Agreste getting akumatized as Chat Noir in a dark episode, but it wouldn't be as potentially cat-astrophic as Ladybug getting akumatized.

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    • RYCBAndRemember wrote:

      Dragon fan 85 wrote:
      It's  just my opinion but i doubt that the creators of miraculous will let cat noir or ladybug or another miraculous hero get akumatize i don't think that's how they work with the show i think that it's the usual good versus evil where good always wins and this show is ment for a younger audience so they might not included overwhelming  problems.

      Four of the seven currently known Miraculous wielders have been akumatized already: Gabriel Agreste became the Collector, Alya Cesaire became Lady Wifi, Nino Lahiffe became Bubbler, and Chloe Bourgeois became Antibug. I don't think they'd have them become permanently akumatized, but I do think it's possible for a Miraculous wielder in Miraculous form to be akumatized.

      The only one whom it would be dangerous for the showwriters to akumatize would be Marinette Dupain-Chang. Since Ladybug is the only currently known akuma purifier, the writers would have to be very careful with akumatizing Marinette/Ladybug before the reveal (unless it is used for the reveal). I could easily see Adrien Agreste getting akumatized as Chat Noir in a dark episode, but it wouldn't be as potentially cat-astrophic as Ladybug getting akumatized.

      With Marinette get akumatized and cat noir just to find another person to use ladybug miraculous for temporary.

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    • But Chloe nino and alya did not have their miraculous yet and what i mean is that when they get their miraculous the writers won't akumatize them and cat noir can't temporarily give someone else the earings because he doesn't know Marinet has them.

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    • It would probably end with the villains defeated and the heroes no longer needed, thus moving on with their lives or something. Or we'll meet the new generation of heroes, the Ladybug, Chat Noir, Queen Bee, Rena Rouge, Carapace, Le Paon and Hawk Moth of after Marinette, Adrien, Chloé, Nino, Alya, Gabriel and the writers knows who is Le Paon. 

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    • Maybe they'll go that far  but i don't know but i think it would be cool to have a good person using the moth and peacock miraculous.

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    • Dragon fan 85 wrote:
      But Chloe nino and alya did not have their miraculous yet and what i mean is that when they get their miraculous the writers won't akumatize them and cat noir can't temporarily give someone else the earings because he doesn't know Marinet has them.

      We don't know whether kwamis and akumas will fight for control of a Miraculous. We also don't know whether an akuma would automatically target the Miraculous or perhaps another item (such as the weapon/tool as opposed to the gem itself). For all we know, it could be that an akuma could enter Ladybug's yoyo, Chat Noir's staff, Rena Rouge's flute, Queen Bee's trompo, Carapace's shield, Hawkmoth's cane, or Le Paon's feather darts to akumatize them rather than the ladybug earrings, cat's paw ring, foxtail necklace, bee haircomb, turtleshell necklace, purple pin, or fan-shaped brooch. The biggest problem with the idea of Ladybug/Marinette getting akumatized is that it either forces a reveal, a repeat of Stoneheart, or a contradiction of previous implications about Ladybug being the only one able to purify akumas. None of which sounds like good story writing, honestly.

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    • I hope that never happens 

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    • To be fair, it could be kinda interesting to see what Rena Rouge, Carapace, or Queen Bee akumatized would be (e.g. whether being in Miraculous form before akumatization would affect what they change to or if they'd just turn back into Lady Wifi, Bubbler, or Antibug).

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    • Based on how the show has depicted Hawk Moth in the recent episodes (showing that he has a heart by not letting Adrien fall to his death, spending more time with him, and hinting that he wants the miraculous to get his wife back) I'm thinking that the show will end (or at least his story arc) by redeeming him. Perhaps Mrs. Agreste actually will come back, or maybe the show will take a different path and make it to where she's really gone and that Gabriel learns to accept that without infecting all of Paris with evil to get her back. I can't say much about her, but I AM almost convinced that Hawk Moth is redeemable and with this show being intended for children, I think he might be redeemed.

      Just my two cents :) 

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    • Ladyblogger123456 wrote:
      RYCBAndRemember wrote:
      Jeanne68 wrote:

      (Rude comments omitted) Natemare2006 wrote:

      I have a version on Deviantart. Here it is: 

      https://nyancat2006.deviantart.com/art/Horrific-defeat-for-Marinette-715839165

      You're entitled to your opinion, but being mean like that is unnecessary, rude, and against the wiki's kindness policy. If you continue such comments you may be banned.
      There's also the fact that the "Horrific defeat" concept is very much against the tone and style of the show, especially given the fact that the show is nominally written for younger children. I seriously doubt the show will ever stoop to the depths of attempting to show realistic suicidal moments. Not to mention that the show ending on a total loss will cause a lot of uproar from the general fandom and probably ruin Zagtoon's and Astruc's reputations due to such an ending being inappropriate for a children's show. If ML were a show oriented completely towards adults, a dark villain victory ending could be fine, but as it is, ML should definitely not end in an evil victory.

      While the "Horrific defeat" concept is fine for a fanfic, I do not think it is appropriate as a theory for the actual end of the show, nor is it any better than Ladyblogger123456's idea. In fact, Ladyblogger's concept is much more appropriate to the tone and genre of the show than the "Horrific defeat" concept is.

      Thanks a lot RYCBAndRemember(I'm not sarcastic)

      Miraculous Ladybug needs a darker tone. The current mood of the series is getting lighter and lighter with every episode. An evil victory is needed just to give some seriousness to the show. It's getting less serious because all the villains are defeated. When a villain gets defeated at one episode there is another but then it gets defeated and the next too and so on. That's why I called it a "horrific defeat".

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    • Natemare2006 wrote:

      Miraculous Ladybug needs a darker tone. The current mood of the series is getting lighter and lighter with every episode. An evil victory is needed just to give some seriousness to the show. It's getting less serious because all the villains are defeated. When a villain gets defeated at one episode there is another but then it gets defeated and the next too and so on. That's why I called it a "horrific defeat".

      No, the show does not need a darker tone. Keeping the show hopeful (and centered on Marinette and Adrien's hope and optimism) is central to helping the target audience--young kids--learn that focusing on hope and optimism is the healthiest way for them to approach life. Implementing a evil victory ending is unnecessary, goes against what the show and its main characters stand for, and is going to earn the show writers (and those fans who vote for such a negative ending) a lot of hatred and anger from the fanbase (both children and their parnets) over the betrayal of everything that the show stands for.

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    • @OwnMiraculousTales(the very first post of this thread) Similar to your third theory and how one of the creators said how it will start with an umbrella and end with an umbrella, I found another representation.

      The following comic is not my work. I found this on Pinterest.

      Here's the link:https://pin.it/jyear6lcestpw7

      Umbrella
      Umbrella2
      Umbrella3
      Umbrella4
      Umbrella5
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    • RYCBAndRemember wrote:
      Natemare2006 wrote:

      Miraculous Ladybug needs a darker tone. The current mood of the series is getting lighter and lighter with every episode. An evil victory is needed just to give some seriousness to the show. It's getting less serious because all the villains are defeated. When a villain gets defeated at one episode there is another but then it gets defeated and the next too and so on. That's why I called it a "horrific defeat".

      No, the show does not need a darker tone. Keeping the show hopeful (and centered on Marinette and Adrien's hope and optimism) is central to helping the target audience--young kids--learn that focusing on hope and optimism is the healthiest way for them to approach life. Implementing a evil victory ending is unnecessary, goes against what the show and its main characters stand for, and is going to earn the show writers (and those fans who vote for such a negative ending) a lot of hatred and anger from the fanbase (both children and their parnets) over the betrayal of everything that the show stands for.

      What? Ok then. No more darker endings. You happy, now?

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    • Chill. They were just stating their opinion. You don't have to be so rude.

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    • RYCBAndRemember wrote:
      Natemare2006 wrote:

      Miraculous Ladybug needs a darker tone. The current mood of the series is getting lighter and lighter with every episode. An evil victory is needed just to give some seriousness to the show. It's getting less serious because all the villains are defeated. When a villain gets defeated at one episode there is another but then it gets defeated and the next too and so on. That's why I called it a "horrific defeat".

      No, the show does not need a darker tone. Keeping the show hopeful (and centered on Marinette and Adrien's hope and optimism) is central to helping the target audience--young kids--learn that focusing on hope and optimism is the healthiest way for them to approach life. Implementing a evil victory ending is unnecessary, goes against what the show and its main characters stand for, and is going to earn the show writers (and those fans who vote for such a negative ending) a lot of hatred and anger from the fanbase (both children and their parnets) over the betrayal of everything that the show stands for.

      lol it's a kidshow... You can't really expect something like dark endings. 



      But when we are talking about it, I heard that the anime version of Ladybug was supposed to have a darker tone. 

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    • OwnMiraculousTales wrote:
      RYCBAndRemember wrote:
      Natemare2006 wrote:

      Miraculous Ladybug needs a darker tone. The current mood of the series is getting lighter and lighter with every episode. An evil victory is needed just to give some seriousness to the show. It's getting less serious because all the villains are defeated. When a villain gets defeated at one episode there is another but then it gets defeated and the next too and so on. That's why I called it a "horrific defeat".

      No, the show does not need a darker tone. Keeping the show hopeful (and centered on Marinette and Adrien's hope and optimism) is central to helping the target audience--young kids--learn that focusing on hope and optimism is the healthiest way for them to approach life. Implementing a evil victory ending is unnecessary, goes against what the show and its main characters stand for, and is going to earn the show writers (and those fans who vote for such a negative ending) a lot of hatred and anger from the fanbase (both children and their parnets) over the betrayal of everything that the show stands for.
      lol it's a kidshow... You can't really expect something like dark endings. 



      But when we are talking about it, I heard that the anime version of Ladybug was supposed to have a darker tone. 

      Blameitonjorge said on his Top 20 saddest moments in kid shows that Nickelodeon's Hey Arnold! ​​​had a darker tone than other Nickelodeon shows. It focused on heavier tones, especially "Helga on the Couch" with Helga visiting a psychologist, and "The Pigeon Man" where a man living in an old, abandoned, pigeon-infested building has his home lost to Arnold's bullies, making him reveal one of his saddest philosophies.

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    • RYCBAndRemember wrote:
      Natemare2006 wrote:

      Miraculous Ladybug needs a darker tone. The current mood of the series is getting lighter and lighter with every episode. An evil victory is needed just to give some seriousness to the show. It's getting less serious because all the villains are defeated. When a villain gets defeated at one episode there is another but then it gets defeated and the next too and so on. That's why I called it a "horrific defeat".

      No, the show does not need a darker tone. Keeping the show hopeful (and centered on Marinette and Adrien's hope and optimism) is central to helping the target audience--young kids--learn that focusing on hope and optimism is the healthiest way for them to approach life. Implementing a evil victory ending is unnecessary, goes against what the show and its main characters stand for, and is going to earn the show writers (and those fans who vote for such a negative ending) a lot of hatred and anger from the fanbase (both children and their parnets) over the betrayal of everything that the show stands for.

      I would tell you three things about all of your other favorite endings where the goodies win.

      First, and foremost, Miraculous Ladybug will end up on Disney Junior. It will basically be kicked out of the timeslot of TFou. Who would want a French children's show on the wrong channel? A channel filled with lighter programmes? That channel is poop! It should stay on TFou! Even cartoons with darker episodes are on TFou! 

      Second, I agree that focusing on hope and optimism is the best way for them to approach life. But the repeated lightness of it is likely to have it air instead on Disney Junior. It basically needs a much more serious tone. All Disney Junior programmes are packed with high amounts of lightness. Well, what else could this mean? 

      And finally, it will result in the series becoming rated as outstanding and it could cause the series to gain total popularity. Then the fanbase would be bigger. It would be exported to a huge amount of countries, like the Philippines, Latvia, even Singapore, Romania etc. This would mark the entry of the fast-growing fanbase into these countries. This would make the to-be-popular show everywhere. Well, Miraculous Ladybug will make its national premiere in these countries. The series will be much more popular worldwide.

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    • Natemare2006 wrote:
      RYCBAndRemember wrote:
      Natemare2006 wrote:

      Miraculous Ladybug needs a darker tone. The current mood of the series is getting lighter and lighter with every episode. An evil victory is needed just to give some seriousness to the show. It's getting less serious because all the villains are defeated. When a villain gets defeated at one episode there is another but then it gets defeated and the next too and so on. That's why I called it a "horrific defeat".

      No, the show does not need a darker tone. Keeping the show hopeful (and centered on Marinette and Adrien's hope and optimism) is central to helping the target audience--young kids--learn that focusing on hope and optimism is the healthiest way for them to approach life. Implementing a evil victory ending is unnecessary, goes against what the show and its main characters stand for, and is going to earn the show writers (and those fans who vote for such a negative ending) a lot of hatred and anger from the fanbase (both children and their parnets) over the betrayal of everything that the show stands for.
      I would tell you three things about all of your other favorite endings where the goodies win.

      First, and foremost, Miraculous Ladybug will end up on Disney Junior. It will basically be kicked out of the timeslot of TFou. Who would want a French children's show on the wrong channel? A channel filled with lighter programmes? That channel is poop! It should stay on TFou! Even cartoons with darker episodes are on TFou! 

      Second, I agree that focusing on hope and optimism is the best way for them to approach life. But the repeated lightness of it is likely to have it air instead on Disney Junior. It basically needs a much more serious tone. All Disney Junior programmes are packed with high amounts of lightness. Well, what else could this mean? 

      And finally, it will result in the series becoming rated as outstanding and it could cause the series to gain total popularity. Then the fanbase would be bigger. It would be exported to a huge amount of countries, like the Philippines, Latvia, even Singapore, Romania etc. This would mark the entry of the fast-growing fanbase into these countries. This would make the to-be-popular show everywhere.

      Isn't it already airing in a huge amount of countries

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    • Yeah, It is airing in bunch of other countries before ours!

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    • MorningRaven wrote:
      DespairBears wrote:
      I think Season 6 is the most reasonable because there are 6 Seasons and the whole show is about defeating Hawk Moth, finding the secret of the Miraculous and Adrien/Chat Noir and Mari/Ladybug being a couple and all, therefore season 6 is most likely
      The series is only guaranteed to be through Season 3 unless they get enough viewings to get a secured contract for seasons 4-6. The reveal will come in either late in Season 2 or within Season 3.

      Generally speaking, I don't see much more than normal teasing like we've had in Season 2 so far. So I doubt the reveal will be the season 2 episode 13 mid season climax. As such, I think that's when Volpina will make an appearance, either majorly or as a cameo, and then she'll return again during the finale. She would be an excellent canditate to help force a reveal at some point since she interacted with all 4 identities of the main duo heavily. If nothing else, Lila's set up for a comeback at some point with added tension. That's not even counting if she'll get interactions with Kagami or Luka (not yet introduced) or using them as inspiration for new lies.

      However a thing to keep in mind as we go forward, we have more than one identity question to be answered. When will the super duo learn of each other's identities? When will the new miraculous heroes learn of them? Will the public eventually learn the identities of their heroes? And what happens after each situation?

      kagami is introduced but luka?idonno about him

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    • I don't think te reveal will be anytime soon .... Remember all the magical  Miraculous in Wang Fu's Box ... I think in sea.3 it will reveal who will obtain the next  Miraculous . I think Ladybug and Cat Noir will know about eachother's identity after all of the other secrets have been revealed . Like you all know Adriens father who holds the  Moth Miraculous I'm assuming mabey it was the Mother who maybe holds the  Peacock Miraculous ????? We still don't know why she disappeared. Maybe she is Le Paon . ( look at the facial features of Emilie Agreste vs. Nathalie Sancoeur look at the eye shape between them i have a feeling it could be Emilie Agreste her eyes match  Le Paon's eyes. 

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    • Am I the only one who read the Season 3 overview on this wiki? It says, and I quote, "More powers, more action, more villains, and more emotions! Season 3 will put Adrien and Marinette to the test: Will they be able to keep their secret and prevent their private life to interfere in their superhero adventures?"

      http://miraculousladybug.wikia.com/wiki/Season_3

      Hence, Season 2 won't reveal Cat Noir to Lady Bug, even after that great cliffhanger episode called "trouble maker". Even when she half transforms back and Adrien is the same room, the dude does not get the gist. Why do the creators have to toy with us?!?!?!

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    • XxZummerTimexX wrote: Am I the only one who read the Season 3 overview on this wiki? It says, and I quote, "More powers, more action, more villains, and more emotions! Season 3 will put Adrien and Marinette to the test: Will they be able to keep their secret and prevent their private life to interfere in their superhero adventures?"

      http://miraculousladybug.wikia.com/wiki/Season_3

      Hence, Season 2 won't reveal Cat Noir to Lady Bug, even after that great cliffhanger episode called "trouble maker". Even when she half transforms back and Adrien is the same room, the dude does not get the gist. Why do the creators have to toy with us?!?!?!

      Well, the season 3 overview says they ended up becoming friends, right? For all we know, they could have revealed themselves (whether purposely or accidentally) but decided to remain friends. But who knows, I could always be wrong.

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    • @Emilyabcde1ara You should really watch episode "troublemaker". Look it up - it makes sense to me how they ended up being friends in that episode (Nothing more though because Adrien does not get the hint!!!!). FYI, that episode will leave you almost tripping over your toes because the relationships between them both is the name of the game.

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    • XxZummerTimexX wrote: @Emilyabcde1ara You should really watch episode "troublemaker". Look it up - it makes sense to me how they ended up being friends in that episode (Nothing more though because Adrien does not get the hint!!!!). FYI, that episode will leave you almost tripping over your toes because the relationships between them both is the name of the game.

      I watched troublemaker.... and they haven’t revealed themselves completely yet, so there’s still the possibility that they’ll reveal themselves in season 2. Besides, it was only halfway! And I also guess that Adrien/ Cat noir is kinda oblivious too, like you said earlier.. but there’s a chance they’ll reveal themselves..I hope.

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    • @Emily Yeah, I hope so too. Sorry if I sounded like as-a-matter-a-fact guy. Darn, sooo hope they end up together before season 3

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    • ((edited)) I didn't know that this topic is still active :D 

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    • I doubt the reveal would happen in season 2 as much I want it too. I doubt it’s happening. Troublemaker was indeed a close call. I’m guessing the most they’d go to is get suspicious of each other, not certainly knowing their identities. It’s way too soon. I’m guessing half-way through season 3, the season 3 sypnosis hints that they are still completely unaware of their identities.

      About the “ended up becoming friends” thing, I have a feeling it is either referring to them growing closer as friends (they’ve had some development in that area) or they decide to stay friends after Marinette confesses her feelings, which is unlikely. It is said they will date in season 3which could be after they:- a) reveal their identities b) one of them gives up on their counterpart and dated the other (if they are going to date in their civilian forms, then I’m guessing it’s after knowing their identities or Adrien gets over ladybug and develops feeling for Marinette).

      I also have a feeling that they might decide to stay friends till they’ve defeated both Mayura and Gabriel then something changes.

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    • GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:

      About the “ended up becoming friends” thing, I have a feeling it is either referring to them growing closer as friends (they’ve had some development in that area) or they decide to stay friends after Marinette confesses her feelings, which is unlikely. It is said they will date in season 3which could be after they:- a) reveal their identities b) one of them gives up on their counterpart and dated the other (if they are going to date in their civilian forms, then I’m guessing it’s after knowing their identities or Adrien gets over ladybug and develops feeling for Marinette).

      I would personally find it really interesting if what happens is that Marinette as Ladybug at some point lets Adrien (either as Chat Noir or Adrien himself) down in some way, breaking his trust in and obsession with her. She doesn't show up when he needs her until late in the episode, or (if the Dupain-Chengs get akumatized) she is reluctant to potentially hurt the akumatized villain in order to win the fight, or something similar. That could make for a good opening for Adrien to start paying more attention to Marinette's interest and maybe actually start reciprocating.

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    • RYCBAndRemember wrote:
      GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:

      About the “ended up becoming friends” thing, I have a feeling it is either referring to them growing closer as friends (they’ve had some development in that area) or they decide to stay friends after Marinette confesses her feelings, which is unlikely. It is said they will date in season 3which could be after they:- a) reveal their identities b) one of them gives up on their counterpart and dated the other (if they are going to date in their civilian forms, then I’m guessing it’s after knowing their identities or Adrien gets over ladybug and develops feeling for Marinette).

      I would personally find it really interesting if what happens is that Marinette as Ladybug at some point lets Adrien (either as Chat Noir or Adrien himself) down in some way, breaking his trust in and obsession with her. She doesn't show up when he needs her until late in the episode, or (if the Dupain-Chengs get akumatized) she is reluctant to potentially hurt the akumatized villain in order to win the fight, or something similar. That could make for a good opening for Adrien to start paying more attention to Marinette's interest and maybe actually start reciprocating.

      Yes, I agree. It would be interesting to see his loose interest in Ladybug. But isn't Chat Noir the one who always shows up late? Yes, I believe he does like Marinette to some extent. I mean, in season 2, He's been acting a lot like Chat Noir around her in his civilian form of course.

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    • Do you think Adrien will love Marinette just because she is ladybug? I am confused

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    • Luisana04 wrote:
      Do you think Adrien will love Marinette just because she is ladybug? I am confused

      I am terrified of the same thing. I'm not worried about Marinette especially when we know she would've like Chat if she never knew Adrien. Unless some how Adrien confesses on liking Marinette a tinsy bit then I can't see Marinette entirely accepting any further relashions between them. 

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    • "Expect the unexpected,, 

      -Thomas Astruc

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    • GUYS IN EPISODE 21 SEASON 2 IN THE TRAILER FROZER ADRIEN REVEALS HIMSELF TO LADYBUG THEN CONFESSES TO HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • SmittenKittan wrote: GUYS IN EPISODE 21 SEASON 2 IN THE TRAILER FROZER ADRIEN REVEALS HIMSELF TO LADYBUG THEN CONFESSES TO HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Yeah, but it could also be a dream since we don’t see plagg after he detransforms and as before detransforming he has a rose in his hand which later disappears and is not to be shown again until well he gives it to Kagami.

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    • SmittenKittan wrote: GUYS IN EPISODE 21 SEASON 2 IN THE TRAILER FROZER ADRIEN REVEALS HIMSELF TO LADYBUG THEN CONFESSES TO HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      It could be just a dream sequence.

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