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    What do you think of Chloe's past?

    Why she is so mean?

    Where is her mother?

    The truth?

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    • I'm open to any possibility as long as it's well written, but I'd like to think Chloé and her mother's relationship isn't the best, affecting Chloé in a negative way — but not excusing her mean actions, just explaining where they originated from.

      My hope is that Chloé's mother is just as if not more selfish and mean than Chloé. Perhaps she is aloof with her daughter, not spending time with her and treating her warmly like a good mother does. Her mother is rude to most others, looking down at them with disdain, and Chloé learned how to act and treat others like her, her father not helping this behavior by spoilering her. At the same time, Chloé is upset about her relationship with her mother and feeling like she is unnoticed, so she deals with her sense of inferiority by acting superior to everyone else and expecting to be treated and respected as royalty.

      Where I take this from is the one evidence we've gotten of Chloé's mother so far. In "A Christmas Special", a third spot is set on the table that Chloé and André and dining at for Christmas. I bet it was meant for Mrs. Bourgeois, but there isn't any evidence that she showed up throughout the whole special. Why would she not be there for at least that day out of many to celebrate Christmas with her family? I theorize that the mother is having a great, successful time on her own and doesn't care about spending time with her family, not feeling obligated to come. Maybe presents André bought for Chloé also work as a distraction?

      Who knows what Chloé's mother is really like and how she has impacted Chloé yet, but I'm really excited for answers that are on their way soon.

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    • her mother is like adrien's mother, both disapeared, have husbands that tried to make their children feel best, and both will appear somewhere is season 2 or 3

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    • I'm betting Chloe's mom is either dead/missing, or cruel like her daughter.

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    • I think Chloe's mom is one of the reasons why Chloe is so mean. Her mom isn't very loving,is always mean with her daughter and very often ignores her:as a result,Chloe has an attention need-she tries to get attention by,like her mother,being mean. Another reason is her father who spoils her like crazy:Chloe is used to get whatever and whenever she wants something to have.

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    • I dont think chloe's mom is cruel. Maybe Chloe used to be a good girl until her mom went missing/died and her dad became the mayor or something. Some proofs are in Antibug (episode) Others I think will be in Season 2 or 3.

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    • Randomness Unlimited wrote:
      I'm betting Chloe's mom is either dead/missing, or cruel like her daughter.

      Not everyone who is relative with Chloe is cruel. And we cant know if she is missing.

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    • Or maybe she CHEATS on her husband and go live somewhere else....I think.

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    • I dont think Chloe's mother was mean she could of been a very caring person and a loving mother and who knowns maybe Chloe was a nice and caring person too but then after her mother left she didn't see any reason to be nice any more and just tried to hide most of her caring emotions and then after so long that's just what she got used to. No were in the episodes does it show a pure loving side to her and most people let their hatred for Chloe cloud the possibilities of Chloe actually being nice and having another side to her, no one knowns what happened in Chloe's past but it could give us the key of why Chloe is so mean. Master fu seems to recognize something inside of her some of the episodes (including antibug) you can find him in the background, most likely observing who will be the next miraculous holder. Most people refuse to believe that Chloe will be given the bee miraculous and she will steal it (and some even believe she will become hawk moths sidekick) rather then be given to her but as I've stated before we haven't seen the other side of her but Master fu could see it.

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    • while the very idea of it is very stereotypical, i believe that chloe struggles with a lack of self esteem and "true" confidence, and covers up her feelings with a facade of superiority. i'd say that she's very good at repressing her feelings of true guilt and sadness and doesn't want to appear vulnerable because weakness and failure is something she fears. i think we get a very good glimpse of her true personality in "antibug", where she expresses genuine happiness that her friendship with sabrina has healed, if only for a few moments.

      (spoilers below)

      which is why i think that being queen bee will be therapeutic for chloe, in some shape or form. she'll remember how good it feels to help others and have a real reason to feel confident in herself.

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    • RIGHT

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    • If she becomes nice though, Marinette's regular life loses plot.  :(

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    • If Chole Reforms, I think that Lila will take the place  of marinettes bully

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    • It might be possible. She is already super angry and starts to pour it out at others to make herself feel better.

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    • Mal Chat Noir wrote:
      If she becomes nice though, Marinette's regular life loses plot. :(

      Yeh yeh do yo know why they introduce LILA-IER?!

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    • Dragonflymiraculous2006 wrote:
      Mal Chat Noir wrote:
      If she becomes nice though, Marinette's regular life loses plot. :(
      Yeh yeh do yo know why they introduce LILA-IER?!

      Yes, I know, and I'm hoping they give more fullness to Lila, as she is sort of an empty character slot right now. Yes, I know she has only been in one episode. That way, she may be a viable "replacement" for Chloe. Also, I would love to see Chloe as a good person, as Bee, but I can't let go of the attitude she had in season 1. Coming from a MASSIVE Gravity Falls background, I cannot watch her be a good person and not help but think, "She has to be faking this. A plot to get closer to Ladybug, or to impress Adien." And that is my curse.

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    • Mal Chat Noir wrote:
      Dragonflymiraculous2006 wrote:
      Mal Chat Noir wrote:
      If she becomes nice though, Marinette's regular life loses plot. :(
      Yeh yeh do yo know why they introduce LILA-IER?!
      Yes, I know, and I'm hoping they give more fullness to Lila, as she is sort of an empty character slot right now. Yes, I know she has only been in one episode. That way, she may be a viable "replacement" for Chloe. Also, I would love to see Chloe as a good person, as Bee, but I can't let go of the attitude she had in season 1. Coming from a MASSIVE Gravity Falls background, I cannot watch her be a good person and not help but think, "She has to be faking this. A plot to get closer to Ladybug, or to impress Adien." And that is my curse.

      Do you need a dose of "Chloe forgiving"?

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    • The only thing we know for certain is that Adrien has been Chloe's friend for a very long time, he says so to Nino.
      In my mind, they were introduced at a very young age, probably as soon as they were able to speak.
      Which would explain Chloe's obsessive investment in Adrien, he's always been "hers".

      I am wondering though, what if she doesn't actually have a mother?
      That for whatever reason her mother left and her father was left alone to raise her.
      Giving her all the costly items she desires could be his way of compensating Chloe for only having a single parent, which, unfortunately, made her a spoiled brat.

      Maybe the third place was for Sabrina, it's possible she might spend the holidays with Chloe, at least for one meal maybe.

      But Antibug does show Chloe's softer side, her affection for Ladybug.
      All the hostility directed towards Chloe from the entire school is ignored, yet one critical statement from Ladybug brings on a misery breakdown ending with Chloe crying.
      So she's not as strong as she appears to be.
      And she makes up with Ladybug very fast after being deAkumatized.

      That was the episode I liked most and endeared Chloe to me a lot, the fact that it shows she can be something other then callous and selfish.


      Lila I'm still undecided about, but from her one appearance, if she goes full Alpha Jerkette, it would be a nightmare for the school, as she has absolutely no morality or redeeming qualities at this point.

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    • I don't like Chloe, but in Antibug, it showed that she might have a soft side. I think that she accually wants to be kind, but something inside her just tells her not to open herself. If she gets a Bee Miraculous and Pollen, she encourages her to be more open and kinder. As a superhero, she at first tries to steal all the spotlight, angering Pollen and making her even more brattish. Then comes the moment when all of a sudden, everyone abandon her and after taking a lot of time to think about it, she realizes how stupid she has been and slowly tries to be more kinder. By doing this, she discovers that it's much better to be kind rather than selfish.

      As for the shipbreaker,I discovered something very fishy about her:she lies to everyone that she knows all Hollywood directors, knows Prince Ali, Jagged wrote a song about her,she and Ladybug are great friends plus the fake necklace to lie to Adrien. My point?lila has been in Paris when all these things(Horrificator, Princess Fragrance, Pixelator, Pharaoh or some other episode and the Orgins)happened! Maybe she came to Paris before Orgins story, but studied in different school. She may have secretly watched hero duo in action and, being an attention-hungry girl, right away begun to desire to be a superhero. She soon decided to change schools for an unknown reason. The trouble started when she saw Adrien and because she was also his fan, tried to win him to herself, but then the Volpina-trouble happened. I quess in season 2,she's still extremely angry at Ladybug and decides to get revenge on her and forms a plan with HM:she tries to make Ladybug and Cat Noir like each other so much that they just have to reveal their identidies to each other, and with then identities known, she can steal their jewels and brings them to alpha baddie, who then tries to make Adrien like her. But that's what I think

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    • Chloe is a selfish jerk, but she's not completely irreedeemable. The main problem is that she's hopelessly oblivious to everything except her own immediate gratification and refuses to accept the fact that she's not liked. What she needs is a reason to actually look at herself and confront her failings instead of ignoring them like she always does. Pollen will no doubt help with this, but in the end, it's all up to her if she's going to improve.

      In regards to Lila, it looks like she's being set up as Ladybug's "Eddie Brock": the one who simply hates the hero on a very deep and personal level. With Alya becoming the real Fox, I imagine Hawkmoth is going to re-akumatize Lila into something even worse than Volpina, perhaps a stronger and more vicious version of Antibug (ironically Chloe's own inner Akuma).

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    • Oooh,I really like that reakumatazion theory you came up with. Someone in the wiki also theorized she finds another source of power to become baddie again, so maybe she finds something else like other Miraculous, energy, weapon or something else that grants her even more strength and power than heroes have.

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    • Pegasushunt125 wrote:
      Oooh,I really like that reakumatazion theory you came up with. Someone in the wiki also theorized she finds another source of power to become baddie again, so maybe she finds something else like other Miraculous, energy, weapon or something else that grants her even more strength and power than heroes have.

      Also possible. The point is, Lila is obviously still going to be a threat to Ladybug, It's all a matter of how.

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    • I agree. But I think we just have to wait and see what happens in season 2(if we survive the wait,of course)

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    • Even I was thinking Lila would be re-akumatized somehow.

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    • Dragonflymiraculous2006 wrote:
      Mal Chat Noir wrote:
      Dragonflymiraculous2006 wrote:
      Mal Chat Noir wrote:
      If she becomes nice though, Marinette's regular life loses plot. :(
      Yeh yeh do yo know why they introduce LILA-IER?!
      Yes, I know, and I'm hoping they give more fullness to Lila, as she is sort of an empty character slot right now. Yes, I know she has only been in one episode. That way, she may be a viable "replacement" for Chloe. Also, I would love to see Chloe as a good person, as Bee, but I can't let go of the attitude she had in season 1. Coming from a MASSIVE Gravity Falls background, I cannot watch her be a good person and not help but think, "She has to be faking this. A plot to get closer to Ladybug, or to impress Adien." And that is my curse.
      Do you need a dose of "Chloe forgiving"?

      Yah, I probably do. Can I get that online?

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    • I think that her mom is nice but Chloe somehow hears her mom talking on the phone afterschool and her mom's yelling at someone through the phone, and instead of picking up the positive emotions her mom gives her, Chloe only picked up the negative emotions and put that out on others?

      ((idk))

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    • If Chloe's mother is the reason why she is so mean to other people around her, then it's probably because she left.

      I honestly see Chloe's mother living in other country or traveling all around the world, only sending her daughter card/gift at her birthday, if any. Now add in the mix a father who probably is hardly ever at home and there you have a bitter girl who tries to hide her fear and loneliess behind a confident mask and mean tongue so no one will hurt her again.

      The reason why she hates Marinette so much is because Chloe has seen how happy their family is and she is simply jealous.

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    • What if Chloe's mom and Adrien's mom are the same person? Adrien and Chloe have similar features, and somebody with green eyes is more likely to have a blue eyed sibling due to genetics. (Don't ask me for the source, I learnt that sometime during Biology). I think it's possible that they are twins and that Gabriel is the father of both. Then, for some reason, Chloe was adopted by the mayor on the condition that Chloe and Adrien meet frequently. It could also be that both the Mayor and Gabriel are fathers, and there are cases of that in the real world. That is very unlikely however, especially IRL. That would explain them being introduced at a young age, as siblings. It is a very far-fetched theory though, with no evidence to support it except for the absence of both mothers and the physical similarities between Chloe and Adrien. 

      It could also be the reason Chloe looks up to LB so much, as a female role model she never had. Apart from Chloe's teacher, as far as we know, Chloe hasn't seen any other female role models. She probably also dismisses her teacher as a role model, seeing herself as the 'Queen' of the classroom. So LB criticizing Chloe could be seen as the equivalent of a mother scolding her, which she has never experienced (her father always reprimands her rather than scolding her it seems) so she has an extreme reaction to this. I don't see this as a healthy relationship (LB and Chloe) because LB doesn't realize how much she means to Chloe and treats her harshly. LB likely treats her this way because of Marinette's experience with Chloe. But this are two different perspectives. Marinette suffers disrepect and bullying from Chloe, while LB is worshipped and regarded quite highly by Chloe. Chloe sees LB and Marinette as two different people, like the rest of Paris, and therefore the difference between the ways she treats them is drastic.

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