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  • Have they ever said where Hawkmoth's secret hideout is?
    Or offered any hints as to it's location?

    I assume it has to have a fairly distinct external feature visible, the window he always opens to let his Akumas out.
    And it's probably on the highest level of whatever building it is.

    I am wondering what the rest of the building looks like though, as we only see the Akuma room.
    I assume he needs a kitchen, amenities, a bed, etc, because he would have to live a normal life sometime.

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    • That would be said in season 2, my question only is: If he is always in his hideout? Who pay's for the Observatory monthly?

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    • Usually a supervillian has a company with some fairly substantial money behind it and a board of directors to run the organization in their absence.
      Or it could be that Hawkmoth is just the latest descendent of a family who were independently weathly due to their ancestors' hard work and he's paying his expense account out of that vast fortune.

      I am assuming it has to be something that allows him a lot of free time.
      Otherwise he'd only be able to Akumatize people outside of normal working hours and it seems like he does this at any time of the day.

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    • Buckmana wrote: Usually a supervillian has a company with some fairly substantial money behind it and a board of directors to run the organization in their absence.
      Or it could be that Hawkmoth is just the latest descendent of a family who were independently weathly due to their ancestors' hard work and he's paying his expense account out of that vast fortune.

      I am assuming it has to be something that allows him a lot of free time.
      Otherwise he'd only be able to Akumatize people outside of normal working hours and it seems like he does this at any time of the day.

      The photo in the moth miraculous on start is the photo from missis Agreste. Is she his family member?

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    • There are theories about the location, but no one for sure knows. One certain thing, if the way the akuma flies out is directly out of the window, is that the window faces towards the Eiffel Tower. Wherever the observatory is, it has to be somewhere facing the Eiffel Tower, but that still leaves a lot of open options as to where it could be.

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    • Does the hideout exist in the reality?

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    • I looked up an website that had an Eiffel Tower panorama viewer and found this:

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      It was the only domed building I could see in the panaromas.
      According to the website, it is Ecole Miltaire.


      If it is Hawkmoth's hideout, then it is an unusual choice.
      If I was a supervillian, I would not choose a military academy as a base!
      Plus, with all the students around, eventually somebody would wonder why he's always going up to the dome on a regular basis.

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    • Did you know that hawkmoth is dumb, he could of finished ladybug ages ago !!!!!IN IN IN IN IN lady wifi episode, lady wifi pinned ladybug down and instead of telling lady wifi to take her miraculous, he told her ( Lady wifi) to get ladybug to use her lucky charm!!!!! Dumb or Dumber!!!! (Not to be offensive) :-)).

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    • I made this connection a while ago:
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      His base could be some sort of church because of the window.

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    • There are plenty of theories regarding this! May this video might help? 😉

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    • Interesting video.

      I think it may reference the military school I named earlier, but if you can see it from this location, then obviously, it isn't inside it.

      I find it intriguing that Hawkmoth is doing his villianry from so far away, he literally is a long distance player.
      I assume maybe it makes him feel more secure, if he's so far from the action, it makes it harder for Ladybug to track the Akumas when they return if he's not anywhere nearby at all.

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    • I'm surprised no one has brought up the obvious answer yet.

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    • Coupon Boy wrote: I'm surprised no one has brought up the obvious answer yet.

      coughagrestemansioncough

      Actually, if you look at the scene where Hawkmoth sends out his Akumas, it shows the Eifel tower in the background as the Akuma flies off, but the Agreste mansion is right next to the Eifel tower.

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    • Watch the video again, the author makes a fairly strong point that if you were at the Agreste mansion, you'd see quite a different view of the Eiffel Tower then the one we always see when the Akuma flies away.
      In fact, judging from the picture linked by Shamira, depending on where it was, some of the rooms in Agreste mansion may not even see the Eiffel tower at all, as they are facing away from it.

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    • I think that it might be the Eifell Tower becauseNo other building can be that high up.

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    • It isn't the Eiffel tower.

      Because when the Akuma flies out of the window, we see the Eiffel Tower in the distance.
      If the Akuma was truly leaving this structure, then we wouldn't see it at all in the panorama.

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    • Buckmana wrote:
      It isn't the Eiffel tower.

      Because when the Akuma flies out of the window, we see the Eiffel Tower in the distance.
      If the Akuma was truly leaving this structure, then we wouldn't see it at all in the panorama.

      Ok

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    • I just accept it as the butterflies teleporting to wherever Hawkmoth needs them to go.

      And I suspect that it's some kind of shrine, though not one based on any real-life location. Perhaps he found it in his studies of the Miraculous and ultimately located the Butterfly inside it.

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    • I don't think they teleport.
      While we don't see the journey in full, it looks like the Akumas have to physically travel to their intended victim and when "de-evilized" by Ladybug, they then have to make the return journey back to whereever the hideout is.

      The only exception so far is when the Akumas multiplied in Origins, with one Akuma duplicating itself into an army of them.
      This was done twice, to build Stoneheart's lackeys and to make the big scary face for Hawkmoth to make his grand villainous announcement to Paris.

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    • I think his base is an airship

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    • I do agree with the MeliZbeauty video on location, the view and the window fit so well. Fingers crossed the heroes do find his hideout, while fighting the akumas they can win all the battles but if they don't find the hideout they can never win the war.

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    • Even if it's not true, the idea of Hawk Moth's hideout being the Eiffle tower is hilarious, considering the events of The Mime. I can only imagine his expression when he realizes that his minion just destroyed his lair. 

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    • PeaceableKingdom wrote:
      I think his base is an airship

      Well, it was in the promo video, so I could see it as a possibility.

      But how would Hawkmoth hide it? Or get in and out of it if it's always flying? I at least hope the Butterfly offers teleportation among its powers for the sake of how he gets around with nobody noticing him.

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    • It may be part of Gabriel Agreste's studio, regardless of if Hawk Moth is Gabriel or not, since the show likes to hint heavily that Gabriel is Hawk Moth. We know it can't be in the Agreste Mansion, because the placement of the Eiffel Tower does not match up. However, "Volpina" implies Hawk Moth may have teleportation powers, but the room is definitely not in the Agreste Manor.

      The room itself is obviously rounded, but the window is not always visible. Thus, any roundish, domed building with a visible window is probably out. Because there's power to open the camera shutter window, we know that the building is not abandoned, but we know the room is in disuse because aside from the akumas, the room has nothing in it.
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      Back wall of the lair

      The room also appears to not actually be perfectly round, either. In the shots facing Hawk Moth, the room seems to be longer than it is wide, although that may be the lighting. If it is that the room is ovoid in shape, then that narrows things down. Instead of being perfectly circular, the room is actually long, which means the room under it is also ovoid. We can also see that whatever room is below it has a staircase that leads up to it in the room itself, because there's what appears to be a trapdoor behind Hawk Moth and no sign of a door on any of the wall we've seen. However, I want to talk about the fact that we can possibly roughly gage which Arrondissment the building is in. When the akuma is flying away, and you see the Eiffel Tower, it looks like you're looking at the back of the tower, away from the Champ de Mars, and you can, I think see the buildings that are behind the tower (I truly do not know the names of the buildings, but they're right on the bank of the Seine, behind the tower. I assume they're a musem of some sort?).
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      If this is true, then that means the lair is on the RIGHT side of the Seine, and puts it probably in either the 8th or, more likely, the 16th Arrondissement. You can also see two rows of buildings that are weirdly spaced compared to the others in sight. The two rows are far apart, and are both rather straight-looking compared to the buildings closer to Hawk Moth's lair. That means there's a wide road there. It looks to be located in either a residential area, based on the antennae, but that straight, wide road we can see in the distance might possibly be somewhere to the south of the Champs-Élysées, maybe near Avenue Montaigne, which going back to my earlier point, is a fashion district. However, I do not think you can get this view of the Tower from the 8th district. So, this means it's most likely somewhere in the 16th. I can't find buildings that match the black-domed ones you see in the picture, though, at either location. I'm more inclined to say it's in the 16th, though, based on the placement of the Tower. It's probably somewhere around or in the Place de l'Étoile, I would guess? But I stared at so many maps and pictures and things I'm genuinely not sure anymore.

      So, there's my two cents after squinting at maps and places for three hours.

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