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Thearomalady

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  • I was born on September 19
  • My occupation is an idiot, apparently.
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  • I now follow you on Twitter like promised. Though since I'm still new to it and only go on it for Miraculous Ladybug, Trials of Apollo and The Book Of Life, can you tell me where the sending a friendship request is, or is it just following pages?  I'm Caroline Lemieux by the way.

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  • Clearly you've decided I'm the antichrist of Miraculous fans, so I won't attempt to change your mind. For me, nothing here is directed at any particular person. I just want to talk about the show. You seem more interested in winning a debate, or proving some point, or conquering some opponent. Let's just agree to go our separate ways.

    Anyway, Tansyflower pretty much already said what needs to be said below.

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    • Positronic wrote:
      Isn't that the part he's been playing everyday at school since he became Cat Noir? He's got to pretend he's just like every other student there. The book immediately signals his interest in superheroes to Lila, so if he doesn't seem interested in Ladybug, NOW it seems weird... he's got a book on superheroes, and he's clearly interested in that -- but he can't betray what his REAL interest is. He's actually keen to know, but he can only let on to having had his curiosity stimulated, as though he's a typical celebrity-worshipping fanboy, and of course Ladybug is the hero of Paris. In fact it's due to him being guarded not to let on about the more intimate nature of his interest that Lila slips up. She thinks his interest in Ladybug can be just as easily transferred to another imaginary superhero (HER ancestor, of course), if she's plausibly based on an illustration in his book. But when she starts downgrading Ladybug's importance by comparison to Volpina's, that's where it begins to dawn on him that Ladybug's "close friend" is false.

      It could be, but I felt it was genuine, and he as Adrien had already met Ladybug by that point. Adrien is, of the two, far the better at keeing his identity secret, but he's also prone to slipping up.

      I don't know if he started to think the friends think was false, or if he started to wonder if Lila wasn't that good of a person if she's talking about her friend behind her back.

      I also think he also knows or is pretty sure he knows who Ladybug is, which is why he's been getting so close to Marinette. Before he never specifically sought her out, but now he actively wants to spend time with her and goes for the obviously romantic slow dance with her. I'd really like to see that be true and have him pursue Marinette like that, but start to feel guilt over it and want to pull back. Yet, he also is genuinely falling for Marinette and ends up really confused, and also unwilling to tell her he knows who she is because she's so against them knowing the other's identity. But considering what of the script we have seen for "Troublemaker" this might not be the case.

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    • Thearomalady wrote:
      Positronic wrote:
      Isn't that the part he's been playing everyday at school since he became Cat Noir? He's got to pretend he's just like every other student there. The book immediately signals his interest in superheroes to Lila, so if he doesn't seem interested in Ladybug, NOW it seems weird... he's got a book on superheroes, and he's clearly interested in that -- but he can't betray what his REAL interest is. He's actually keen to know, but he can only let on to having had his curiosity stimulated, as though he's a typical celebrity-worshipping fanboy, and of course Ladybug is the hero of Paris. In fact it's due to him being guarded not to let on about the more intimate nature of his interest that Lila slips up. She thinks his interest in Ladybug can be just as easily transferred to another imaginary superhero (HER ancestor, of course), if she's plausibly based on an illustration in his book. But when she starts downgrading Ladybug's importance by comparison to Volpina's, that's where it begins to dawn on him that Ladybug's "close friend" is false.
      It could be, but I felt it was genuine, and he as Adrien had already met Ladybug by that point. Adrien is, of the two, far the better at keeing his identity secret, but he's also prone to slipping up.

      I don't know if he started to think the friends think was false, or if he started to wonder if Lila wasn't that good of a person if she's talking about her friend behind her back.

      I also think he also knows or is pretty sure he knows who Ladybug is, which is why he's been getting so close to Marinette. Before he never specifically sought her out, but now he actively wants to spend time with her and goes for the obviously romantic slow dance with her. I'd really like to see that be true and have him pursue Marinette like that, but start to feel guilt over it and want to pull back. Yet, he also is genuinely falling for Marinette and ends up really confused, and also unwilling to tell her he knows who she is because she's so against them knowing the other's identity. But considering what of the script we have seen for "Troublemaker" this might not be the case.

      It's true he's slipped on occasion and let his interest in Ladybug show before as Adrien. On those occasions, it's reasonable to assume no one thinks anything of it because they assume he's just a fanboy. Lila's presupposed assumptions about him allow him to play it naturalistically, and not fake. He's got no need to pretend NO interest in superheroes because the book already told Lila that, and because she's volunteering exactly the sort of information he'd like to know (it's not clear he's convinced wholeheartedly... but Lila's a complete mystery girl, new in school, so it's easier to believe something like that). It's easy because he doesn't need to think too much about it, or get too excited to try to get her to explain more... she's more than willing to brag about Ladybug, so anything he asks her later will seem natural. All he's got to do is seem interested (NOT hard at all) and let her talk.

      I don't think he knows, actually. He may be in love with Ladybug, but that doesn't mean he can't genuinely like Marinette for exactly who she appears to be, and he's noticed a lot of things he likes. He doesn't have a clue how he could do anything to change his situation as Cat Noir, barring learning something more about her, so he's left with no options. He tried composing a Valentines' Day poem to her, but gave up. His only option would have been to give it to Ladybug in person, but even if he'd come up with something he'd been completely satisfied with, something tells me he'd have chickened out before ever trying to give it to her. The idea of possibly getting a completely unambiguous final rejection from her would have paralyzed him. Yet somehow he gets an unsigned Valentine in response. While the ladybug landing on the Valentine causes him to smile with the idea that Ladybug could have sent it, I must conclude that he later decided that was only wishful thinking on his part... he may have later concluded that it was from Marinette, though, due to the fact that he disposed of his own unfinished poem in a wastebasket at school. Adrien may have decided "if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with", and Marinette is kind of a nice consolation prize to salve the hurt of an unattainble heart's desire. I don't think he's quite transferred his love of Ladybug to Mari yet, but decided that it might not be so hard to learn to love her. Maybe Marinette & Ladybug are becoming his Betty & Veronica (the one who chases him, and the one who is chased by him) -- they're both different, but both have something to offer him.

      The reason that I don't think he knows is that the things he likes about Marinette are completely unrelated to the things he loves about Ladybug, and he just can't connect them as the same person, even though he knows she has a normal everyday life like his. He's in love with Ladybug's dynamic personality, the way she takes charge of herself and a situation, her heroism & courage, willingness to take risks, and quick-witted decision-making -- but most of all he loves her for the way they work together so well as a team, trusting each other and backing each other up, and depending on each other. They can always count on each other in a pinch. Even her resistance to him makes her more irresistable to him. The things he likes about Marinette are so different. Her creativity and talent especially impresses him, but I think he finds all the little things like her clumsiness, nervous tongue-tiedness, and funny expressions endear her to him because of her vulnerability. He just can't see anything in common between these two girls. He likes Marinette, but he doesn't love her -- yet. It will be up to Marinette to make him fall in love with her. He didn't pursue HER, he just let her wear down his resistance a little. He's known for sure she's been sweet on him since (at least) "The Gamer", probably even before that. The ball's in her court if she's going to make him start thinking about Ladybug less and start thinking about Marinette more.

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  • Hi! You have great insight, theories, and opinions, as do all fans of the show, but you sometimes go into a lot of detail and appear confrontational in your phrasing, like referring to the original poster directly ("you") and asking them direct questions. Express your opinions freely, including disagreements and reasons why you disagree, but try to be careful in how you come across, as we're here to have fun talking about theories, agreeing with them, and disagreeing with them. None of us are exactly correct, and most people on the forum are there to analyze and suggest theories, not necessarily get into debate about them. Debating is fun for some people, but don't want to feel like a majority of their ideas aren't worth sharing

    I hope that makes sense without sounding rude or commanding. I like good discussions, and disagreements and frustrations are bound to happen between users, but I try to keep some peace overall. Thank you!

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    • Tansyflower wrote:
      Hi! You have great insight, theories, and opinions, as do all fans of the show, but you sometimes go into a lot of detail and appear confrontational in your phrasing, like referring to the original poster directly ("you") and asking them direct questions. Express your opinions freely, including disagreements and reasons why you disagree, but try to be careful in how you come across, as we're here to have fun talking about theories, agreeing with them, and disagreeing with them. None of us are exactly correct, and most people on the forum are there to analyze and suggest theories, not necessarily get into debate about them. Debating is fun for some people, but don't want to feel like a majority of their ideas aren't worth sharing

      I hope that makes sense without sounding rude or commanding. I like good discussions, and disagreements and frustrations are bound to happen between users, but I try to keep some peace overall. Thank you!

      No, that makes perfect sense. I think a little too much, and my replies are more or less me typing out my thoughts as I think them. I think I have a very confrontational way of using my words, because I try to be very formal but light, and I do not really think about addressing someone. I also believe that my pointing out why a theory contradicts the facts comes across as aggressive, not helpful. I want to help people make their theories accurate. I also wish to correct misinformation, if this is related to my pointing out that Chlonette isn't canon if they're clearly hating the kiss (which I did remove, since I realised my wording was rude and did not come across as playful). They were not stating a theory, they were stating a fact.

      I don't think I'm as good with words as I would like to be, as I seem to come across as cold and haughty because of how I phrase things. I doubt very much that the long sentences I use help my case. It isn't my intent, but intent is nothing as before how someone takes what I say. Perhaps I lack a grasp of emotion through writing.

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    • Yeah. Hopefully, things will improve on both sides. We're all fans, so we all can get passionate. :)

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  • Greetings! I notice you asked about how to use the HideSpoiler, so here is a reference for how to use it.

    First, click on the "Switch to source mode" button, which is located on the bottom left corner of a forum message or comment when it's being created or edited, that has two brackets on it. There, you can add in the SpoilerButton or HideSpoiler templates, which are written like this:

    {{SpoilerButton}} {{HideSpoiler}}

    The SpoilerButton template adds in a button for users to click to reveal or hide spoilers. The spoilers themselves go into the HideSpoiler template like this with the straight vertical line splitting up the template name and the information:

    {{HideSpoiler|Marinette is Ladybug.}}

    If you click the "Switch back to Visual mode" button, which has an eye on it and is to the right of the "Source mode" button, the templates will appear like green puzzle pieces, although they will show up properly when the message is posted.

    When you incorporate these in, in source mode, it should look like this:

    {{SpoilerButton}}
    {{HideSpoiler|Marinette is Ladybug.}}

    Or this:

    {{SpoilerButton}}{{HideSpoiler|
    Marinette is Ladybug.}}

    When the message is posted, the templates should work like this:


    Marinette is Ladybug.


    I hope this explains it, but please ask me if you have anymore questions on how to add the SpoilerButton and HideSpoiler templates. Thank you!

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    • Thank you! I saw it explained on a different page I've commented on but not with an example of how it works, just the coding. So it didn't have the "Marinette is Ladybug" bit in your sample, it was just literally the code and I didn't want to mess it up. Thanks so much!! This is most helpful with a sample. Now, a test!


      Which, by the way, thanks also for like, correcting my idiot mistakes on TV Tropes when I went through and made a bunch of new folders cuz some of the folders like "Others" and "Hawk Moth" were like, huge, and I spelled things the way I'm used to like a right idiot (Akumatised and Mrs Agreste, sans period). Checked the History to see what had been changed on the page since there's so many things (I do love theorising if you have  not noticed, hehe) and meant to thank you but forgot so now I am.
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    • No problem, and thank you for organizing that page better! The amount of theories keep growing with every new piece of information we learn, and I really like having the most notable subjects having their own sections for easy finding. I appreciate that you created those sections. :3

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    • No prob! I like organising, even though I'm normally really messy. And it really was impossible to find anything under the vague titles we had already, haha. There were only I think 7 of them and we had guesses about the kwamis, future holders, and the Cat and Ladybug Miraculouses under "Other Miraculouses" and it was just kind of a mess? The last one I think I'm going to do is give the guesses about Chloe (except her as a future Miraculous holder) their own folder, unless they pertain to her being a future Miraculous holder, since that's it's own folder. A lot of the ones in "Others" are about Chloe, after all, and some of them are long ones, so that should bring "Others" to a more reasonable size.

      A few of the ones I did, I broke out a few unique topics (Mrs Agreste and Master Fu's mistake) with only a few guesses to them to see if people would think more about them, since they are very interesting. That and Mrs Agreste took up a lot of space under the "Other Miraculous" folder since nearly all her guesses are about having a Miraculous. I'll go through when S2 comes out in most countries to move Confirmed stuff where it needs to go, since there's stuff confirmed in Origins and Volpina that's still in the main section, but I'll do that when moving Season 2 stuff. or I'll just move the stuff confirmed in "Origins" and "Volpina" while moving Chloe's stuff to its own folder.

      the only downside to my organising is I shut the WMG page down for a while trying to find all the WMG for the folders.

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    • Aaand there we go, the Bougeois family has their own WMG folder! Andre had two guesses by himself, so I figured I'd just stick the whole family under a folder. Also I had a dumb WMG to add about Chloe's mom.

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